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And today's question is: What's a biblical view? Of last Tuesday's election, right? And this is really from my standpoint. We talk about a biblical view. It's a time to get motivated, and if there was ever a time to get motivated, I think now's the time.
And so, what's what is your biblical view of last Tuesday's election? Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four. We would love to hear from you. Boy, would we love to hear from you. Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight For an amazing, wonderfully, we have Dr.
Sam Horn with us as always on Motivation Monday, and so welcome, Dr. Horn. Oh, thank you, Robbie. I'm so glad to be here. It's always exciting to be on the program, and you never know what you're going to get asked.
And so, you just really hope you can give a good, sound, and biblical answer that's framed up around the scripture. It's gracious, it's honest, and that's charitable and yet bold and and faithful to the text of Scripture. Yeah, that is. You know that's what we need. That's why we're the Truth Network.
I'm thinking. Man, I know what a great name, and what what an immediate and and just important task that God has entrusted to you all to give the truth and and to do it graciously and clearly and yet boldly. I it is it is certainly an honor, certainly an honor to have you on. And I and I was thinking actually before the show, like, how amazing is it, God? No matter what side of this you may fall on, it's time to get highly motivated because the Bible is very clear.
If there was ever time to pray, now is the time, right? Yeah, no, that's right, that's right. You know, I I think all of us woke up on Tuesday morning, and no matter how much you prepped for it, no matter what you thought about it, no matter. You know what you you had hoped for. You woke up to a reality that was very different than the one you wanted, and I think that would be true for a vast number of evangelical Christians in this country.
And we may have all landed on different sides on certain parts of the issue, but I think it would be fair to say that there is a great deal of fear in the hearts of people. There is a great and growing concern in the hearts of God's people. And there, in in some cases, there's there's discouragement, there's moral outrage, there's there's a tinge of despair. Like, what are we going to do for the next two years? What are we going to do for the next six years?
What does this mean for our our kids? Was it need for our grandkids? What kind of a country are we going to have? And all of these questions bear down on our souls, and they show up not just You know, on on a political survey, they're what we go to bed at night thinking about. They're what we wake up in the morning thinking about.
And so, I think this election and its impact probably is sitting deeper on the hearts and minds of people than we even think. Oh, there's no doubt. You know, I I go to enough Bible studies, church services, etc., to to feel that. And so, you know, this is a wonderful opportunity for you listening. You know, people are coming to you, and and they expect you to have a reason for the hope that's inside you.
And so, what a wonderful time to call us with either what you have or what you'd like to have. With where we have Doctor Horn with us, eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four is the number to call in. We would love. To hear from you, eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four, and and I think you you couldn't be more right that we need to have something for the people that come towards us, right? Yeah, well, you know, I I thought about Psalm eleven.
That's the psalm that I I kind of ran to myself, and isn't that psalm in David's time in a time of great uncertainty? And great, and just great upheaval. He says, In the Lord I take refuge. How can you say to my soul, flee like a bird to your mountain? In other words, how can you look at me in the midst of all this trouble, knowing that the Lord is my refuge, and encourage me to run away and to flee?
For behold, the wicked bend their bow; they have fitted their arrow to the string to shoot in the dark at the upright.
Well, that's certainly descriptive of a lot of what's going on and how we how we feel. Oh man! And then here's the big one: if the foundations are destroyed, what can the right do? I mean, that's that's ultimately, if you want to sum that up, this is how a lot of people feel. Look, we work so hard, we pray so hard, we we we actually encourage people to get out and vote.
We we made people aware of what was at stake. And still, overwhelmingly, this country went to the polls and and put in play people and ideologies that are unthinkable and unsustainable, and the foundations of our very country have been shaken. That's how a lot of people feel, right? The foundation.
So, what can the righteous do? And David immediately says, "Well, let me tell you about something that'll never be shaken. Let me let me tell you about a kingdom that hasn't been affected one bit by this election. Let me tell you about a future that is as sure today as it was before last Tuesday. The Lord is in His holy temple.
The Lord's throne is in heaven. His eyes." See, his eyelid tests the children of men. The Lord tests the righteous.
So, He's going to allow us to go through this test. But He detests the wicked and the one who loves violence. And then in verse seven, the Lord is righteous. He loves righteous deeds, and the upright will behold His face.
So, no matter what happens on this earth. In the kingdom that I'm an earthly citizen of, and I ought to work hard. Jeremiah says, "Pray for the peace of your city, because in that peace is your peace." So I've been praying for the peace of this country. I've been working to that end, but at the end of the day, the kingdom that really matters is not the one that we went to the polls for on Tuesday. The kingdom that really matters is one that'll never be shaken, and my place in that kingdom is secure.
And that's a great hope to wake up to every morning. Frankly, oh my word! I absolutely I love that view, and what a great way to hone in on Psalm 11, right? Especially, you know, as we head into Thanksgiving, right? And a lot of people are going, "Well, how?
What have I got to be thankful?" Well, man. When when you look at that kingdom and you look at the light and and what we have available to us every single day with the freedoms that we do have and we currently still are using, you know, we have a great deal to be thankful, right? You know, I'm I'm so glad you brought that up, Rob, because it is exactly what happened to me on Tuesday morning. I was I was in a board meeting all day, and yeah, we kind of we kind of woke up to this. And and then the whole day was just filled with just activity that had already been scheduled.
So it wasn't really until Tuesday night that I had time to really just figure out what happened. And then you know you're going to your social media because that's how all of us get our news. And you know your phone is blowing up, your your feeds are blowing up, and you're seeing all of this that that's happening. And I actually went to bed on Tuesday night, really discouraged and and fretful. And I woke up on Wednesday morning, and I was driving back to the next day board meetings.
And as I was driving toward the place where we were meeting, I it's it's like the Holy Spirit just spoke to me in my heart, and He said, "How are you going to be thankful in this? How are you going to rejoice?" In this, because I didn't say to you rejoice when the elections go your way, and I didn't say to you be thankful when the people who have your political agenda are in power. I said rejoice always, and I repeated it again. I say rejoice, and I said to you be thankful in all things. And it was like we had this inner dialogue.
You know how you and God sometimes talk. No, I do. He's saying to me, "He said, I mean, he literally is saying to me, 'I know you're not thankful. You can say all you want, the right words out, but you are not thankful right now, and you are not rejoicing. You are fretting.'" You are actually morally outraged.
You are angry, and you are not just angry at what happened. You are actually angry at the people who are evangelical Christians in this country who didn't vote. Yeah, there's a lot, a lot of that. We've got to go to a break. I hate we do that, but boy, what a great opportunity!
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eight six six three four Truth. What's a biblical view of last Tuesday's election? Right? How do you answer that person that you know you got that family member you're going to be sitting across the table from at Thanksgiving? You know it's coming, right?
And you usually get to hear exactly what they think about a lot of their political views, and oh boy. You know how can we do that graciously? What can we talk about that would be helpful? That would bring light. It's a wonderful opportunity to talk about those things today.
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How Right, a lot of times, we have to go to the low place and actually name it that this is how we're feeling before God can lift us up. Yeah, and I think that's really hard, right? Because the minute we go to that low place, we find, you know, that God God meets us there, which is the really good part. But we also find, man, I am really, really wrestling with this. And so you talked about.
Sitting across the table from your family, or sitting across the table from other believers, and and so you may be sitting across from people who who have a very different view on what happened, or they're really really angry about what happened. And so one of the things that I found to be helpful in this is to actually put some boundaries. You know, we're going to talk about this because it's on our hearts, but we want to talk about this. We don't want it to dominate our day. We don't want it to dominate our meal.
We don't want to lose our joy in our Thanksgiving. But but we do want to talk briefly about this, and and let's just talk. Let's let's talk biblically. And I think putting the word biblically in front of the conversation really helps. I want I want to think biblically about this.
So. Are there times where God allowed horrific things to come into the life of His people in Scripture? You know, the entire New Testament is lived out under a political system that all of us would be morally outraged if we had to live under. You know, Nero and the Roman Empire were not paragons of righteousness. They were not advancing the kingdom.
They were not protecting the rights of Christians. That is not the government that was in play when Paul wrote Romans thirteen. Right? It wasn't the government that was in play when he told Timothy to pray for those who have the rule over you and to lift holy hands. And pray for those that are in authority over you, that you might live in peace.
So we actually have places in our New Testament where God spoke to people just like us, who were in circumstances politically that are even worse than the ones we're in. I mean, as bad as it is, and as horrible as as the for me personally, I'm just going to say for me personally, as horrible as Tuesday morning felt. It is still the best country on the planet. We still have it better than most other countries have it, and I'm so grateful that we do. I'm not minimizing what happened on Tuesday morning.
I just there are days where it's just really, really difficult, but but I need to put that in perspective. I need to put it in perspective in relationship to the grace of God that allowed me to live in a country that has freedoms, even after Tuesday, that most other nations and Christians don't. And then I need to frame it up in terms of what God actually said to people living under much worse political conditions than the one I'm in, and we have those in our New Testament.
So framing up the discussion biblically, I think is a really important way to go at this. Oh, I absolutely love it! And what say you? If you've got a question or comment, we'd love to hear from you. Eight six six, three four eight, seven eight eight four eight six six three four.
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So I was thinking about the sixteenth psalm, Doctor Horn. That there are two lines in there that give me tremendous hope, but also help in describing what you just said. That the one that I honestly went to my first things Tuesday morning was. You know, the sorrows of those who chase after other gods will be multiplied. It's it's a complete truth.
The sorrows of those who chase after other gods will be multiplied. That's a completely loving statement from King David, I believe, in saying that God will let you chase after that because as soon as, just like the prodigal son, at some point you will find yourself eating pig food, and you'll realize that this stuff ain't good, man. Yeah, no, you're right. And so, at some point in time, we chased after those other gods, and unfortunately, it was obvious. That money was the issue, that it that God's got it rigged in such a way that some people are going to find bottom, and they might find him as result of that as well.
But also, shortly thereafter in the sixteenth psalm, it says. It says, "My lines have fallen in pleasant places." In other words, boundaries, right? And we we have to keep those because again, the end of the sixteenth psalm you may know is some of my favorite stuff in all of Scripture, right? In His presence is fullness of joy; His right hand are pleasures forevermore. But only if we stay within those boundaries, right, Don?
Yeah, no, it's exactly right. And I think I think you put out the two twin pillars, right? There, there is a reality for them, and there is a reality for us, and those two realities are very different. And no matter what economic policies or political structures they put in place, if they don't know the Lord, their their life is going to be just filled with sorrow. In in ways perhaps they don't even recognize in this life, but the lines for us have fallen very pleasant places.
And you're saying, well, how can that be true? Just think about what's going to happen to my 401k. I'm going to have a 201k. You know, just think about what's going to happen in this country when Islam comes in like a like a tide. And and but but actually, that's not where the lines have fallen, right?
The lines have fallen into me in a kingdom that'll never be shaken. And so, you know, I think those are really important things to do. You know, I have sort of been thinking about this, and and I'm sure some of our listeners, I would love to engage with them on this. I think we have to start playing the long game. You know, I think sometimes we get into a situation like this, and our immediate thing is moral outrage, and there's a lot to be morally outraged over, but I think we've got to play a long game.
Then we've got to start coming at what's coming our way with biblical truth. You talked about truth talk.
Well, we've got to start talking truth.
So, for example, when you start seeing all the the Islamic stuff that is coming out, you know, all of a sudden you you've got a senator now leading us in in Islamic prayer. This is a great time to talk to your kids about that. This is why we don't agree with that. This is why we don't pray that way, and this is what we should be praying for for him. We should pray that he would see the truth about the God of heaven.
You know what's what's wrong with praying to Allah, and the answer to that is well, Allah is not the God of the Bible. I know that may sound shocking to people, but the God of the Bible is a Trinity. He always has been a Trinity. He's always been the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. That is built into the theology.
Of who God is throughout all of Scripture. If you go to the God of Islam, they actually would say, "Don't say He has a son; He doesn't have a son." So whatever God that is, it's not the God of the Bible. And we've got to help our kids see that in a kind and gracious, but very truthful way. I'll bet a lot of our listeners don't even think that. They they would not make a distinction between Allah and the God of the Bible until they start thinking about those two realities.
The God of the Bible is a Trinity, and the God of Islam is not, and so they can't be the same God.
Well, all of a sudden now you've got a theological point that you can start educating the next generation on. Take socialism for example. This is a great way to talk about. The realities of you know the Bible tells us that we are in the middle of working and and trying to bring kindness and charity. We should care about the poor.
We should care about the people that are around us. But that isn't an economic system. That that isn't how it's going to literally change the world. There's only one thing that'll change the world: it's the gospel. And this is a great opportunity to say, "Let's look at socialism.
What does it really teach? Can you find a country anywhere in the world where it's worked?" Yeah, we got to go to a break. We would love to hear your questions or your thoughts. Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four eight six six three four. Truth.
The darker gets, the brighter the light. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. How amazing opportunity we have today with Doctor Sam Horn on really taking a biblical view of what happened last Tuesday and and not pushing it under the carpet, you know, unprocessed, you know, that's a great way to say it. Unprocessed anger, unprocessed disappointments, unprocessed things—they mess with your joy, right?
And so, like he said at the beginning, like Doctor Sam. Horn said at the beginning of the show, we gotta ask Jesus to come into this, and and open our hearts to really what what He wants us to see, and then you know use these God given emotions to, to the benefit He designed them for, right, Doctor Horn? Yeah, I actually think that's really really important. You know, first and foremost, I'm a member of a good good church, and I also happen to be one of the pastors there.
So my identity, first and foremost, in Christ is I'm a member of His church by His grace, and secondly, my stewardship is I have a responsibility to help, as an elder, to to help shepherd that congregation.
So we've been talking about this. You know, it's what you're talking about. How do we, how do we help people manage what's going on in their hearts, because we don't always immediately go straight to filter this biblically. And I think that's that's really important as we we talk about this. You know, think about this for a minute.
A good bit of us, a number of us, I would say, have fear. I have got fear. I mean, let's be honest. I'm fearful of what's coming. I'm fearful of what's going to happen to us economically.
I'm fearful of what's going to happen to us religiously. And I'm reminded immediately that that God has actually said something to us. He has not given us the spirit of fear.
So wherever that's coming from is not coming from the Lord. And that's the first thing I got to get honest about. Where is that fear coming from? It's not coming from the Lord because the Lord said I didn't give you a spirit of fear. I gave you a spirit of love, and I gave you a spirit of peace, and I gave you a spirit of a sound mind.
So use that sound mind. And start thinking biblically about how to frame up the way you live now in a very different environment. And so it's it's those kinds of things I think that are helpful. What about all of the horrific things that that we're fearful? What if half of them come true?
You know, what if the economy tanks? What if the liberal spending just just takes this country? Past the point of no return.
Well, Paul said in Romans chapter eight twenty eight, we know that for those who love God, God is working through all of those things to bring a good about, and the good that He's bringing about is to conform us to the image of His Son. God never promised to fix the economy. He never promised to fix healthcare. He never promised to fix gas prices, but He did promise. To use all of those things and the pressures they bring to make me look more like Jesus, so I've got to bring some of these things to bear when I start thinking about my own responses to something like the election.
Oh, absolutely! I actually, John Eldredge has a wonderful ministry out in Colorado. He said. You know, you you you've got this anger. You got to do something with it.
The psalmist obviously took it to God. He goes, "I go out in the garage with a baseball bat and my garbage can, and me and God talk." You know, it it it's. It's something you got to get out, and so I'm guessing we got Bustman on the line. Bustman, did you have a a baseball bat in a garbage can out there, or what? What?
What say you, my friend? That is funny, actually, and this is no—I'm not exaggerating, brother Robbie. And thank you, Doctor Horn. I absolutely have loved your commentary. Throughout all this time of the elections, you are so grounded.
You have validated the things that I've said to my Christian brothers and sisters during this whole process. And Dr. Horn, I'm right here in Ohio, where there was a big, you know, situation with Vivek Ramaswamy and Dr. Amy Acton.
So this was a battleground state.
So. But but I want to I want to say thank you, Dr. Horn, and and I want to say thank you to Peter Rosenberg as well. To answer your question, Brother Robbie, yes, believe it or not, I have a baseball bat. I call it the bus bat in the back of the bus mobile.
Oh man! No, no, brothers, that's not to beat up people. It's just in case I have to hit something hard, either on the car or I'm I'm a survivalist to a to a degree, guys. I keep eyeing them, okay, and that's what I mean. If I have to use it for self-defense, gentlemen, I will.
Or a dog, or something that comes up, and it gets near, you know, any of the little ones that I might have around me. Then, but, but yes, I do. I've seen a picture of the busk guitar, and now that I find out there's a busk bat. That's hilarious, Robbie. Yeah.
Oh no. On the serious, on the serious note. What I have found out here in Ohio, and yes, I did vote. I did vote a write-in for our governor because I did research on both of our candidates, gentlemen. And my conscience and Dr.
Horn, you validated me when you was on with dear brother Stu Epperson. You validated me that I did not have to violate my faith in God, my religion, if you will, my faith in Christ. By voting for the lesser evil, I did vote, but it was a ride in for someone here in Ohio that nobody knew because she didn't have any money, she didn't have any name recognition. But I did a lot of investigation on this woman, and I really liked her. She was a constitutionalist.
She's an ardent Christian who's not afraid, but she knew how to package it to where she's not. A pastor, you know, we're not electing a pastor in chief or a pastor for government, and it was awesome.
So I did vote, but I had to vote what I knew from Scripture. I could not vote for a king Saul. I had to find a king David. What do I mean by that? What I meant by that is we know, as as students of Scripture, King Saul was not very repentant.
He would do things like when he performed the sacrifices instead of letting the Levites do their job. He would take on responsibilities and do things on behalf of the Israelites that were ungodly.
Well, King David, yes, he made mistakes, but the difference between David and Saul was David was repentant when he knew he messed up. When he knew he made a decision that not only affected him and his life, but affected his his his people, the Israelites. And I'll never forget the time when he counted the troops. Joab even tried to tell him, King, don't do this. But David defiantly did it, and God sent a three.
He gave David a choice.
Okay, people's going to die, David, because of your sin. And then when David repented, as he saw the innocent Israelites just dropping, he said, "I I I confess, Lord, it was me. I did not see that in many of my candidates, brothers, in our election.
So I could not vote for a King Saul. I needed a King David. Does that make sense?" I can appreciate that. I can appreciate that. I can stay on the line, or our producer can can let me go.
But I'll I'd like to stay on your line and hear what you have to say, Doctor. Please go ahead.
Well, I appreciate that. I would maybe do a different thing than you did, but I appreciate the fact that you honored your conscience. The scripture is really clear about that. And secondly, I'm thankful you live in a country where you can do that. I'm thankful you live in a country where you can write in about many, many, many believers around the world don't have that privilege.
I'm glad we live in a country where we still have that freedom. Yeah, absolutely, and you know, again, that's why we all got to vote and do what we did, Busman. Right? We we got to keep praying. We got to keep working.
Yeah. And so I appreciate your your comment today, Busman, and I certainly enjoy the bus bet ideas. Yeah, that's good. Everybody should have a bus bet. You never know what you might need.
I want you all. God bless. God bless you, Busman. Thank you. Thank you very much.
So, you know, wow, you know, it just shows you there are so many different situations out there, and so many different opportunities to dig into the Word of God. Right? Isn't that cool that this kind of Opportunity, like man, I need some answers, and you can go to the scriptures or go to godly people like Doctor Horn and begin to get things because it it pushes you out of your comfort zone.
Well, I think I think that's a so he just gave us a really good opportunity to talk about something I think all of us are going to face at some point. We're going to run up against a believer or even a family member who voted differently in the elections than we wish they had. They voted for the wrong candidate. Or they didn't vote for the right candidate, and we thought, okay, maybe they threw their vote away. And if everybody had done that, or had not done that, we could have gone in.
We could have moved forward. And and so, you know, it's always easy to play, you know, quarterback after the game. But I'll say this: I think the way we answer that question is going to be really important, and we need to come at it biblically. And biblically, the scriptures are really clear: you can't violate your conscience.
So, so our brother didn't violate his conscience. I wish he had done a different thing, right? It might have swung the election if, if more people had done and voted, you know, held their nose, if you will. But you can't violate your conscience. There's no possible way Scripture allows you to do that.
So I applaud him for for honoring his conscience above politics. And secondly, we ought to be thankful that he has the freedom to do that. In a country that that we we have these kind of rights that others don't, and we should value that. And so I think that's a good way, maybe, for us to have these conversations around Thanksgiving time when we're trying to keep the peace and the joy and the Thanksgiving, and we run up against someone and we think, man, if you'd have done it differently, we might have won. Yeah, we.
You know, we had several contests here. It was just enough to break your heart—seventy or eighty votes, one way or the other, would have changed. I know a bunch of races, and you and you're just like, oh man! But then there's other people out there, and I faced them in my congregation Sunday morning too, and they were like, the the fix was in. They were cheating, and and you know they were terribly angry about these, you know.
What they perceive is is things that happened within the election, and the things that are faulty, maybe in the process. But again, I for me personally, I mean, my immediate response was, you know, anything that's not built on the truth is going. You don't know when, but it will come down because it's not on any foundation. But I'm curious what you would have said, or since I have those people in my life, what what should we tell them, Doctor Horn?
Well, I think you know you kind of alluded to it earlier. The lines have fallen unto me in pleasant places, no matter what has happened with this election.
So I don't want to answer moral outrage with more outrage. Right, you overcome evil with good.
So, in every election since I can remember as a kid, there's been some level of of bad behavior somewhere in that election, and you know we can spend a lot of time and a lot of effort and a lot of energy. Arguing about whether it was a fair election or not—the answer is none of that arguing is going to move the needle one way or another. It's just going to make us more angry. It doesn't mean we ignore it. It doesn't mean we don't talk about it.
It just means we don't answer outrage with outrage. A straw answer turns away wrath. I love it.
So, thank you, Doctor, and I hate—we're out of time. But we'll be right back with Money Monday with David Fisher. We'll be right back.
