BREAKING: ACLJ Investigation Uncovers Voter Fraud

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For call one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. And now your host. Welcome to Sekulow. Will Haynes here. Jordan Sekulow will be joining me shortly, but we have something that we have been teasing that we were going to break.

We wanted to make sure we got to this point where we were comfortable going forward with this, and today we are. This is an investigation into the town of Chevyly, Maryland, which allows for non-citizens to vote in local elections. This is a phenomenon that is happening across the board in the United States. You're starting to see more and more locales. Allow things like this, and what we were doing is trying to get the voter roll that showed the people that were registered to vote locally, but not for state or federal elections.

And this comes as a we represented the American Accountability Foundation that requested this list back in October of 2025, so a year ago. And they requested this so they could look at it and see if the town was doing what they indeed said they were doing of keeping the list separate. And through the course of this investigation, what the ACLU found was, after obtaining the list from the city of Cheverly, we found that a quarter of the people on the list that are non-citizens. But allowed to vote in the town's elections had also voted in federal or state elections. What is that?

That's called voter fraud. That is voters that are not allowed to vote in an election voting. And we're going to break it all down for you: how we got to this, what this means, and what the ACLU is doing. Because as of right now, our attorneys are sending a referral to the Department of Justice. About what we've uncovered in this investigation, and when people say that this is very small, this doesn't happen at scale.

When a list of people that are allowed to vote in one election and not in another are voting in the one they're not allowed to, to the tune of twenty five percent, that's not nothing, folks. That's not a fraction of a percent. That is a quarter of your list that you said when you changed. Your charter in the city of Chevrolet would be kept separate. It would be a supplementary voter registry, is what it was called.

So here's now what we need to find out, and what the Department of Justice will be referred to as well is that was it incompetence. Was it not having the right tools to keep these separate? Was it malicious? All of these things have to be looked at because what we know is that while this is a small town, they may say it doesn't make up the vast majority of an electorate. When you start to look at how many different towns in Maryland already are doing this, having these non-citizen voter rolls that they're allowing to vote, it's over 16 localities.

And the District of Columbia, back in 2023, approved a similar thing, allowing people that are non-citizens to vote in the District of Columbia, only in local elections. Don't worry, they've got the safeguards right. Or what about large areas like Oakland, California, and San Francisco? Clearly, they are going to have the safeguards in place to stop those that are registered to vote legally in their local elections from voting in any other, because the registrar will know the difference, right?

Well, wait a second. Wasn't it just this week that? Los Angeles, which doesn't have this yet, but what's stopping them? Doesn't have this yet. They told a court in a in a dispute with the Department of Justice that the registrar in L.A.

doesn't have the ability to check the citizenship status of those that are registering to vote. Instead, they just take their word for it. They tell you this isn't a problem, but then when you dig. And you you investigate. What do you find?

It's actually a problem, and that's what the ACLU is doing. This is our Protect the Vote Week because we are right up on this midterm election.

So you can support the work of the ACLU in things like this, where we are protecting your sacred right to vote. Go to aclj.org/vote today and have your gift double. Welcome back to Sekulow. Will Haynes here. Jordan Sekulow will be joining me momentarily about this very issue.

But folks, let me walk you through how we got to where we are right now with this bombshell discovery that is is coming out of Maryland, a suburb of Washington D.C., our nation's capital. And you can share this. You can like this broadcast. We want as many people to see this as possible because we are just a few days away. We're under a week from the midterm elections, very consequential election, and at the time when there are state officials and a major party telling people to not be concerned about clean voter rolls, about making sure that only the people that are supposed to be voting are voting, why are they trying to hide it so much?

Shouldn't that be something that every American wants to ensure is on the up and up? But here's what we're looking at here today.

So in Maryland, the town of Cheverly, they had passed back in surprise, surprise, August of 2020, a charter amendment resolution number R dash zero four dash twenty. And what it goes on to say is says amending Article Five of the town charter to provide for non citizen voting and establishing a supplementary voter registration. It goes on to say that the mayor and town council deem it appropriate to create a supplemental voter registry for the town. And this passed in August of 2020.

Now. That was at a time where there was a lot of focus on elections, a lot of focus on making sure that the voter rolls were on the up and up. But we started to see this pop up around the country. New York even tried to do something very similar to allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. That actually was stopped by the Supreme Court of of the state of New York.

But we're looking at this here, and it's popping up all over Maryland. There's 16 different places in Maryland. Maryland that allows something similar. Vermont has three cities that allow it. Oakland, California, and San Francisco, California, allow this.

The District of Columbia allows this, and so the American Accountability Foundation sent in a State Public Information Act request, October of 2025. It's something you are very familiar with. If you watch this broadcast, that we send federal FOIA requests, you send state level FOIA requests. We've gotten a lot out of California recently that we've talked about. In their inquiries, went they acknowledged they got it, but then for eight months, stonewalled the American Accountability Foundation.

So, what did they do? They came to the ACLJ. They said, "We know that you guys are are experts at FOIA law. That you are able to, you know how to file the lawsuits appropriately." So they came to us, and what did we do? We filed the lawsuit.

And Jordan, just last week, yeah, a year after this state FOIA request was released, we received. The voter roll. What is it called? The supplementary voter registry. It has ninety-eight names on it, and we found that a quarter of them.

According to the investigation done by the ACLU, yep, it appears that a quarter of these individuals that are legally registered to vote in town elections, right, have voted illegally in federal or state elections because they are not U.S. citizens.

So these are not U.S. citizens.

As as we'll walk through, there are a number of of jurisdictions across the country that have allowed different ways for non-citizen residents. They are they are legally here. These are not. People here are legal immigrants. They are legally here in the United States, but they are not citizens, so that usually they would not have the right to vote in any elections, local or federal, state or federal.

And these localities have allowed them to vote. In various, sometimes just like one or two local elections, sometimes it's just the school board.

Sometimes it's broader than that. But but what we have is the list, and then through this list, we ran through voter files and things like that. We realized that twenty five percent of the people on this list, who again should not be voting in any elections except for here, I think it was the school board elections and and local elections. Twenty-five percent of these names voted in federal elections, so they illegally cast a ballot in an election where it is illegal for them to vote, but also illegal for the town. And I, you know, I I think that you have to say this right up front.

I have no idea if it's the people themselves who were told, "Hey, you can get registered to vote now." And if it was made clear to them, because obviously these are not very heavily segmented lists, when we got them, it's like, "Here's the list." It wasn't like a lot of information about what this list is, or or what this person did, or who that person is. And so we ran it through our voter files to figure that out. Is Is it the town at fault?

Well, certainly the town is at fault for allowing these people to vote in in federal elections, in elections or state elections that they should not have been voting in. That would be illegal. Point: Someone that works for the state handed these individuals a ballot right for that federal or state election.

So even right there, it is at least incompetence by the elections. At most, you had a lot of confusion. By the people who got registered this way, and twenty five percent, twenty five percent thought, "Hey, I can vote in anything." So they just showed up to vote when it was time to vote, and they did. And no one stopped them, and their votes were counted. I mean, from all all records that we have now, is these votes went through.

There were no problem, and I don't want people to look at this and say, "Okay, that's twenty five percent out of ninety eight." Because as you just said, well, you went through the cities and towns that have these kind. These are some of the major cities in the United States, especially in blue states, where this is hundreds and hundreds of people that would be eligible to vote this way. And so, when you look at a San Francisco, I think this is a great micro. Example: Very easy one to dive into early and say, you know what? If it's this bad handling, just ninety-eight people, and a quarter of them, twenty-five percent of them, violate the law.

Either that the state lets them, that the city lets them violate the law, so they unknowingly did it because no one ever explained to them what their voter registration really was or what they were actually registering to be able to do and not do, or or they actively knew. And I I think it's probably more the latter. I think it's probably more that the the state didn't explain this very well to people, and so they went and voted thinking I'm a registered voter, I can vote.

Well, and here here's the here's when you take that that 25 because that that's going to be the naysayer. Like, right, it's 26 people. What what's the big deal, right? Right.

Well, here's what you start to look at. One, we do know that this is a trend. We know New York tried it and got stopped by the. Doesn't mean they're not going to try it again. Maryland has 16 places in the state, so already, if you take a 25, that could sway elections of a voter roll in 16 cities.

That can make a difference. You have Vermont has three cities that has have it. The District of Columbia has it, and Oakland and San Francisco have it.

So let's go to California because we've been talking about that a lot, and they're right now fighting the DOJ that's saying you have people on your roll. That aren't supposed to be right.

So this is a real-world scenario.

Now let's say that they adopt the San Francisco Oakland model.

So some of those people are allowed to be on a roll, but not all the roll. In the Department of Justice, and just want to clean up the voter rolls. Here is what the Monica Flores, who is the Assistant Registrar for Los Angeles, told a court this week. When asked about this, when they're fighting discussing cleaning up the voter rolls, she said, "This is a from her supported the defendant. It's a declaration by the assistant registrar.

The registrar is not equipped or authorized to verify voter citizenship because it does not independently house citizenship-related information beyond the voter attestation as identified in federal and state law." And is certainly not equipped to do so within the election period.

So now we're starting to look at okay, we know that this concept is is going to California and larger places. We know it's it's rampant through Maryland. Individuals who may not think they're doing anything wrong because what did they do? They were told you can register to vote, and they went and did that. And then they're voting, and the registrar themselves has no way.

If they're now if if L A can't do. Then how does a small town in Maryland, a suburb of D.C., how can you expect them to do it? This could become a voter crisis if this trend continues. I think that we might be on the cusp of a voter crisis if we start uncovering this more and more. And I think that's important work of the ACLU.

Is that if we have more resources, we can uncover more of this because we know there's more than just this city doing it. I mean, we've gone through, and there's some bigger cities you'd want to take on, and you'd get bigger. Names, bigger numbers, more people to run through the system to see just how many of these folks who, again. It sounds like they sign up to vote, and the voter registrars say they they don't have the ability to know who is a citizen who isn't.

So, are they supposed to be self policing themselves when they're not even sure if they should be voting in something? And and by the way, I guarantee these people who ended up signed up, the city reached out to. There's no way they went and did this on their own as non citizens. The city came out to them said, "Yo, you can vote in these elections.

So make sure you're voting in these elections." But we. Can't even check if you're voting the right way.

So how bad is this problem? We don't know. But if it's at a small scale, like this, like in Maryland, and you got 25 of the people registered this way, voting in elections illegally, voting in elections that their vote should not be counted because they're not citizens of the United States of America. Then how bad is it in a place like San Francisco, and why are they willing to fight so hard to keep these voters coming in? It can't just be for their local races.

That's right, and folks, we will come back with more on this, including what we are sending to the Department of Justice on this, as well as the relevant committees in the House and the Senate. Because when the ACLJ takes action, we take action, and you support that action by giving to the ACLJ at aclj.org/vote. Your donations are doubled. Protect the vote today. Welcome back to Sekulow.

Will Haynes here, joined in studio by Jordan Sekulow. We're going to be taking your phone calls on this. If you have questions, if things we've said, you know, lead to questions you may have of what can I do to stop things like this? How can I support the ACLJ or any sort of question related to this? One eight hundred six eight four three one one zero.

And Warren, we'll get to you in just a second. But we're going to go down and also show that we're not just uncovering. This and talking about it today, we're sending a letter to the Department of Justice. It's it's addressed to Harmie Dillon, who's the Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice, but it's also going to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland.

It's going to the Senate. Committee on the Judiciary with Chuck Grassley. It's going to the Committee on the House on Judiciary with Congressman Jim Jordan. It's going to the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, as well as the House Committee on House Administration.

So we're getting it to Congress, who conducts oversight of these things. We're getting it to the Department of Justice, who can really investigate beyond what we at the ACLU can do. But we also have a lot more action coming up that we'll tell you about later in this week because this is our time to protect the vote, and we have been doing this consistently at the ACLJ, where we have had to fight against the agenda of those that want to dilute your vote, or they want to say who you can and can't vote for. The right to vote in America is sacred, and that's why even if you take we talk about this twenty five percent, we talk about that twenty six of these individuals have voted just in this town because that's where the investigation was focused initially. We're broadening that out, by the way, but those are twenty six citizens of the United States that are Marylanders that had their vote taken away from them, canceled out.

By someone who voted in a federal or state election that was not legally allowed to do so. No matter what the motivation or the confusion behind it, that's why you have to protect the vote at the state level, at the federal level, and have mechanisms, Jordan, that stop this kind of thing from happening. Because these are American citizens whose votes, their right to vote, they were disenfranchised by this. But every time one of these individuals voting in election that they were not allowed to vote in, your their your vote as a U.S. citizen was being disenfranchised.

Your vote was dis. Counted because their vote was being counted.

So regardless of if they voted the way you did or didn't, you're not going to know that. What you're going to know is that this is someone who does not have the right to vote in these elections because they're not a U.S. citizen. And we talk so much about how U.S. citizens alone don't take advantage enough of their right to vote in elections and to choose their leaders.

But I mean, here's here's another problem you've got is that when You've got localities who say, "You know what? We're gonna we're gonna put a group together. We know that they can't vote in state or federal elections a lot of times." But they can vote in a local election, and we're just going to put a sheet, a list together. And this list is anyone going to really be tracking it? Do we even have the ability to do that?

No. But we're going to have this list of names, and and then you know we'll give it out in a foyer, and you can run it through. and Oh, twenty five percent of them voted in a election they shouldn't have, and and they'll try to say that's no big deal. That's a huge deal. It's not one person out of out of the ninety eight.

It's twenty five percent of the people thought they were registered voters who were normal voters in the United States of America because of either a problematic scheme put together by the cities or bad information given to them when they were registered to vote in these what were supposed to be very narrow narrow lanes. Like you can vote in this school board election, but you can't vote in in these other elections, and yet there was no. Safeguards in place. To prevent any of them from both voting and having their vote counted in elections up to elections for President of the United States. That's right, and once again, you know the the they said that said we have nobody checking when you and you can go read our article as well at aclj.org on this because it goes into a lot of the details.

But we know that this was amended in 2020, and that there were citizens, according to our investigation, that voted in the 2020 election that they were not supposed to.

So when people tell you, "Don't worry about it. This isn't real. This is one in four of the people on this list." Were voted in a way they were not supposed to, and I just want to put this up. This is Gavin Newsom. He put this on X just this week when they were talking about these arrests that happened in in California of people that had voted illegally.

This says any credible allegation of voter fraud should be taken seriously and investigated. We agree. Full stop. That's what we're doing in some manner here. That being said, the action by Trump's DOJ.

Charging just twenty-eight individuals suggests they have no evidence to back up their claims. Just last week, of tens or hundreds of thousands of illegally registered voters. Yes, non-citizen voter registration and voting does happen in isolated instances in California and the rest of the country alike, but it's so rare that the Trump administration is parading around town about point zero zero zero one percent of all California voters. I want to go back to what we're talking about here in Cheverly, Maryland, because it's not point zero zero zero one percent of all voters of the supplemental voter list. It's twenty.

25. It's a quarter of the voters in 16 other towns allow this exact same type of thing in Maryland. And when you start to add that up, that starts to sway races. It also starts to take away people's right to vote. And that's when I go back to what what Gavin Newsom said here, Jordan, is the fact that he's also saying it was just 28 people arrested.

Shouldn't you also say we are thankful that the DOJ found people that were breaking the law? But it goes to prove our point that it's not that widespread. But instead, he's belittling any any kind of law enforcement. And those are twenty-eight Californians who had their right to vote disenfranchised. Right, his constituents.

Right, his constituents whose vote was canceled by someone who is not a citizen, by someone who should not have been voting, and maybe that person voted the same way. Maybe it wasn't canceled. Maybe it was. We don't know. But what we've learned is that these these cities have really no idea of of where these people are going after they sign up in these programs and where they're when they are voting.

But Gavin Newsom says he knows that they're voting in places they shouldn't. He's just trying to downplay the significance. But when you look at a state the size of California and you go to these smaller percents, those are still pretty big numbers.

Well, and also, okay, we're going to talk about Oakland and San Francisco. The administration of Those cities is so great right now. They're super clean. That's they're the you know the the icons and the crown jewel of California. Everyone wants to go visit San Francisco.

Yeah. No, we know that their municipal government is not operating at a level that is worthy of of visiting at this point.

Now you want to say that they're spending more time focusing on keeping these voter rolls clean when they can't even keep their streets clean. Let's be honest here. Yeah, no one believes that. No, no one believes it, and and no one believes that they're doing this for the people of California. They, we know that most of them think that if they're giving this right out to people, this ability for people to vote, that if they do vote in a way that is not legal, that they're not going to actually enforce it, and they're likely voting for candidates and issues that they agree with on the left.

Well, we also know that the left plays dirty tricks because who's getting this group out to vote? Right.

Well, that's what I mean. It's not the right. The left plays dirty tricks. The New York Times finally admitted, Jordan. This happened right before you got in.

Yeah. Inside the Democrat secret effort to stack Alaska's ballot.

Now, New York Times is calling out the Dan Sullivan shenanigans. Yeah. For what it really is.

So they're they're putting up fake candidates in Alaska. You don't think that they're gonna. Organized. Remember, these people that are on this list are in America legally. They probably have green cards, work visas.

They are here. They're just not eligible to vote in federal and state elections. But for some reason, because of this separate list that's supposed to be kept sequestered away, they're able to vote in federal and state elections. These happen over the last six, seven, eight years, right? There's a reason it's becoming trendy to put these up in localities, but we're not going to stand for it.

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I'm going to go to Warren, calling from Washington State on line one. Warren, you're on Sekulow. Go ahead.

Well, thank you. First of all, in San Francisco, the street cleaners are doing eight hours' work for eight hours' pay.

So that's the first thing. The second is that Obama made a statement years ago that if we had 10 million more voters, we could control the voting. And the third is that what controlling legal authority do the cities or the counties or the states? What are they using to say we have the right to give these illegals the right to vote in any election? What were they?

They just pulling this law or this. This ruling, or whatever, just out of a rabbit's hat.

So, Warren, I do want to clarify one thing. These are not illegal aliens. These are not people that are in the United States illegally. They are actually here legally. These are people with green cards, with with work visas, any number of reasons that they may be in the United States legally.

But they are also residents of the town now. In in an election, they are not eligible to vote for federal offices, for state offices, but the charter of the town, when it comes to school boards, when it comes to mayor, when it comes to town council, things they can set up their own rules for how their town is structured. That isn't you know that may not be governed by state law or federal law, and it gives the ability for these individuals. To in what they did, they created a supplemental voter registry for the town.

So these individuals, they are saying, you live here, you're allowed to pick who your your county commissioners are, your town council are, your your school board members, that any whatever state or not state but city controlled offices may be, they're giving them the opportunity to vote for. It's in their sense; it's their choice. They amended their town charter to allow for this, to say that people are residents. That isn't, in and of itself, it's not violating, at least in Chevyly, Maryland's constitution, the state constitution, or federal law. But here's the problem.

It's led to the problem that everyone could have foretold. You don't have to be some sort of prophet to see where this could go poorly, and that's exactly what we're pointing out here today. Yeah, what we see is that these are these in these towns, and I don't think it. By the way, I think you could reach the places larger than San Francisco is that they don't have these. They may have them sorted out as okay.

Here's the people who registered this way, but they have no way in their systems. Of saying, okay, this person can vote in this local election, but if they show up on election day, and maybe there's a local election they can vote for, they can vote in that one, but they can't vote in the other state or federal elections. They have no way to segment that out. They've even said they don't have a way to segment that out.

Well, and even that, when you start to look at, and this is the layer that we haven't necessarily even gotten to yet in this investigation, is how how are the ballots presented? Yeah. Because when I go into a ballot box here in in the state of Tennessee, where our media headquarters are, I get state official. If it's a Presidential year, President, I get senators and Congress seats, and then I get the governor's office and my local representatives. I get judicial retention, which are state, right, as well as aldermen.

On many times in the same ballot, it's all digital. I'm not going through with a piece of paper and getting two separate ones. That those are more questions that have to arise out of this.

Now, it may be that at this point they haven't had these elections coincide, but these are more questions. When that happens, how are they separating the ballots? They weren't. I mean, these people were able to go in and vote, and it didn't. Twenty-five percent of them did it, but I think a hundred percent could have.

I think they all could have. I think that the seventy-five percent probably knew. I, you know, when I signed up for this, they said I couldn't vote this or that. I was only supposed to vote this way, and the others just didn't understand exactly what they were being registered to be able to do, and no one prevented them from casting their vote when they shouldn't have. That's right, folks.

We will be right back with Rick Grinnell joining us on this. We've talked with him about many of the issues in California and how these parallels cross over.

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Welcome back to Secular. Will Haynes here, joined now by Rick Grenell. Rick, this is something we talk about often with you, especially in light of your state, California, where the state government is constantly pushing back at the Department of Justice, trying to say, "Hey, can we work together on this? Can we just make sure the voter rolls are clean? You know, it's federal law that that we do this.

Let's let's just go ahead and work together." But yet, the state continually pushes back. We've uncovered a lot, even through our state FOIA requests there, that show that you know the attorney general's office and the secretary of state they don't seem too proactive in looking for people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be.

Now, today, we're talking about this discovery from this ACLU investigation that we, along with the American Accountability Foundation, were able to. Cover through state FOIA that the town of Chevyly, Maryland. Not only did they have through their legal city voter roll, the supplementary voter roll, have a number of individuals that sign up to vote, but 25 of those people that are not citizens that are registered to vote in city elections also voted in federal and state elections. Rick, are you surprised that when you set up this system where people can register to vote? That somehow their votes bleed over into federal and state elections.

They're not supposed to be voting in either.

Well, first of all, let's just say another big shout out to the team at ACLJ. When people support the ACLJ, they uncover information like this. This doesn't just happen overnight. Our team had to really dig, and push, and prod, and file lawsuits, and and try to hold governments accountable.

So, kudos to the entire team. I'm not surprised that there are governments that are controlled. By one party, like the state of Maryland, like the state of California, that are disinterested in. Enforcing federal law that just simply says illegals and residency violators. Remember, it's also residency violators—people who move out of the state.

All of those individuals should not be allowed to vote. We don't check in California; they don't check in Maryland. I'm not surprised that there are governments that like the messy process that want to have a whole bunch of people get. Ballots in the mail that are probably not. Able to vote through residency issues or or immigration status, all of those individuals in government that are pushing this messy system, they know that it creates chaos, and they know individuals are going to vote, and they like it, and that's the problem, and that's what we have to combat.

Rick, I want to play this for you. This is from a little bit earlier in the week, where when we talked about it on the broadcast, where Hakeem Jeffries was on with Manu Raju and said that the only way that Republicans could keep a majority in the House or in the Senate is through schemes.

So let's play this bite five, and then I've got a question for you.

Now, up until this point, we've successfully stopped their scheming. But are you saying that's the only way they can hold on to power? I've said that from the very beginning.

So the only way, and he said it from the very beginning, the only way Republicans could maintain power, their hold on power, is through their scheming, right? And he's been able to stop it so far. What we see now is that the Department of Justice is talking about 400 individuals in Washington State. They say it's just the tip of the iceberg that are on their voter rolls. We saw a software glitch in New Jersey that led to all these people being automatically added to voter rolls in New Jersey.

California, we know it's a mess. We have this now in Maryland with one town, and they have 16 other towns that allow similar situations where you can register to vote. We also find out the New York Times just published that the whole fake Dan Sullivan in Alaska that everyone said, "Oh, this is a dirty trick by the Democrats," was indeed just a dirty trick by the Democrats. That the Mary Patola campaign actually went and found a Dan. Sullivan to run.

So once again, all of these schemes by Republicans is this another case of they're projecting onto their opponent what they are actually doing? Look, I will give Hakeem Jeffries one thing: that if he thinks that it's a scheme to enforce the federal laws, if he thinks it's a scheme to demand that people show an ID in order to vote, if he thinks it's a scheme to have common sense when pushing voter integrity and voter issues, then buy me the T-shirt. I'm a schemer. Because the fact of the matter is, we must have a system where only legal people vote. If you're legally allowed to vote, that is the system.

And how do you check if you won't have an ID? We've got. Literally, commercial after commercial here in California right now, where Gavin Newsom and Javier Becerra, who's running for governor, are openly saying that if you want someone to show an ID before they vote, that is a Trump-style scheme. That is what they're saying. They don't want the challenge.

And remember, when they get challenged, and when we take it to them in the legal system, what do they do? They say, "Well, let's take the Supreme Court and change it, and kick people off, and expand it." They are the ones who change the rules. We're just trying to live by the rules. I'll finish with this: a sanctuary city means a city where you don't enforce federal immigration. Laws.

That is a scheme. And I think Rick to that entire point. That's why we at the ACLJ and and to some may think, okay, you're going and looking at one town. Yet you have to start with that one town. You have to get that one town.

And what do we get? We got the voter roll, and then we're able to check that and find out the truth that a quarter of those on what is called the supplementary voter registry, supposed to be kept supplemental separate. That a quarter of them had done what they weren't supposed to do, whether that is because of confusion, because the state didn't explain it well, whether it's because of parties using that and saying, "Look, sending mail, get out the vote," and confusing the the voter electorate, or on purpose, that doesn't matter at this point. Twenty-five percent of this list voted and disenfranchised other Americans, actual American citizens, and then you start there and you start to extrapolate it out. That's where we are today.

This is day one. We are investigating. We will continue, but that's why it is so vital that organizations like the ACLU keep doing this work because they're going to keep pushing back against the DOJ. They're going to keep pushing back against the federal government. But we have it here in black and white right now.

What's going on? And we today are sending a referral to Harmie Dillon, saying, "Here's what we found. Investigate it, DOJ, because it takes groups like this as well that can focus like a laser beam on even the small localities and get the truth." Thank God for the ACLU team that is not intimidated when people say that we're trying to, you know, change an election or undermine democracy. All of these attacks that they say they are nervous that we're onto something. We have to keep going.

Now is the time to keep going, and I think that we have to do this more than just two months before an election. We have to do this January February. Of next year, stay on these governments who are going to mock us for looking under the hood. I will note one thing: they used to say there was no election fraud.

Now they're saying there's no widespread election fraud. They're moving, but they also don't want to investigate. We got to keep pushing.

Well, when you keep moving the goalposts, they can always be right, right? They can say, oh, it's not widespread. Oh, then it's like now it's now outcome determinative.

Now it's like, oh, it's only the races that we don't matter. You know, that wasn't no any. Amount of voter fraud, any illegal vote should be found and stopped because that is how you keep the trust in the systems. This is a bipartisan issue. the The left doesn't want it to be, but when you look at even the percentage of people that want voter ID, it's a bipartisan issue.

People want to be able to trust their institutions. People don't certainly. I certainly hope that people hear that message in California because we've got this ballot initiative about voter ID, and it's being attacked as a Donald Trump scheme or a manipulation. It's not, and people don't need; they shouldn't fall for it. We need to have voter ID in California.

That will upend the system. I think they're cranky and ornery because we're on to them.

So I say, keep going, keep supporting ACLJ. And our due diligence of trying to see if this is the tip of the iceberg, we need to investigate. The other side is saying, "Don't investigate. Nothing to see." Rick, thank you for joining us today. And folks, we are less than a week away from one of the most critical midterm elections in years.

This is a time where. We have decided we have to launch this "Protect Your Vote" campaign. Our legal team is uncovering the serious problems with non-citizen voting across the country. In your support, every dollar is doubled today. aclj.org/vote.

In Maryland, we uncovered that 25% of the non-citizen voter list voted in federal or state elections, and today we're sending that referral to the DOJ. In New Jersey, where hundreds of citizens, non-citizens, already voted illegally, we're preparing major action there that we'll tell you about later in the week. And we are also preparing a lawsuit in California.

So when you support the ACLU, that is what you are supporting. Keep us in the fight. Protect the vote. ACLU.org/vote. Back to Sekulow, final segment of the broadcast.

We're going to get straight to phone calls. We're going to go first to Donald calling from Cal.

Sorry, I almost said California. He would not like that. I have a feeling. Donald calling from South Carolina. He's an ACLJ champion, and Donald, you're on Sekulow.

Oh please, don't put me in California.

So sorry, I take it back. I take it back. Thank you for correcting that. I'm an African American, and I fully support the aspect of voter IDs. My parents fought to to get a chance to vote, and they wouldn't have had a problem with that.

The things you all are talking about today, I'm thankful for. ECLJ investigating these things because we knew they were there. And no one would honor our request, and you guys are finding evidence now that the New York Times is recognizing. But California and other places that have almost a hundred percent mail-in ballots, with with these things that you're talking about this morning, there's no way to control it until we get it fixed because the mail-in ballots was the way to accentuate. Them getting people that were that were not legally have the right to vote to vote and there's no way to scrutinize it.

If I show up at the ballot box, I have to show my ID. I have to show my ID at the at the airport. And there's no reason in the world that we shouldn't be able to to get voter ID passed and to eliminate this illegal voting. And thank you, thank you, ACLU for fighting for for me and us. Donald, thank you so much for calling.

Thank you for being an ACLJ champion. That's someone who gives on a monthly, recurring basis.

So Donald has been supporting this very work for a long time. He has been supporting the actions of our ACLJ legal team that are able to.

Sometimes seems like a needle in a haystack. He mentioned you guys are providing evidence for what we've all known for years to be true. Exactly about this. Exactly. How how many times we've been mocked by.

Saying that you know people who shouldn't be voting are voting. Oh, you guys don't know that you're just you're just extrapolating that because conspiracy theorists, conspiracy theorists, because we allow some people to vote in these local elections that have nothing to do with your state and federal elections, and you're just you're just putting in your head some conspiracy that those people are also voting in state and federal elections. And now we go to a smaller town and we say, hey, we can prove it. Twenty five percent of the people who were not supposed to be able to vote in these state and federal elections. Did vote in these state and federal elections, and they are not citizens of the United States.

And by the way, with your resources, we can go to more cities, we can go to more towns, we can demand more of this information, and show just how widespread this fraud is on the American voting system. Because that's what it is. It is an attempt to cancel out votes, as attempt to cancel out your votes. And let me tell you, when you go through the places that allow it, they lean blue. I mean, it's not like these.

This is happening all over the country, in red and blue states and in red and blue cities. It's happening in blue cities to increase their voter turnout and hurt conservative candidates and conservative voters by canceling out your votes. That's why they have no system of actually saying if this person tried to vote, no, they can't vote. That's all they would have to do is say you can't vote in this election because you're you're only allowed to vote in in this unique. A local election, not these state or federal elections, but they don't have a system in place to do that.

I want to go to Dan calling from Maryland on line four. Dan calling from Maryland. We're talking about Maryland today. Watching on aclj.org. We appreciate that, Dan.

Go ahead.

Well, yeah, I used to live. This is thirty some years back, just outside of Tacoma Park, Maryland, right? Which I would be surprised if that town is not on your list. They they do allow. Actually, look that up.

Tacoma Park does allow non-citizen voters in Tacoma Park elections.

So very similar situation. But go ahead. But yeah, that the thinking there is that residents are. Citizens of our town, so they are trying for participation in the process to encourage better citizenship. I'm playing devil's advocate here, absolutely.

But yeah, it's for the town. My own thinking is that motor voters should be get gotten rid of because I'm being anecdotally. Oh well, that that was the problem in in New Jersey is that the motor voter didn't catch non citizens that were able to get driver's licenses as well as you've seen many states and say you can be an illegal immigrant like undocumented completely and still get driver's licenses. But yeah, there there's a lot of problems there. But Dana didn't mean to cut you off again.

No, no, that's fine. Because in Maryland, that that was the thing. If you can prove you can drive, you get a license. Right, which I don't. Disagree with, but a lot of people not fully understanding the registration form.

Go ahead and fill it out. And Dan, here is where to your devil's advocate case about of the the localities that are allowing this. Yes, I think, and I think there are probably many people that are are are goodwilled in the desire for more participation. And you look at yes, the the argument can be made. Yeah, you you are a resident here.

You are probably even paying taxes there, even if it's sales tax or property tax or something in that degree that that funds the school. There should you be able to vote for the school board where your children are being educated? I can understand intellectually the argument here. The problem is, is not that, and that's even what it says. The mayor in the charter.

This is reading from what the town of Cheverly did. The mayor and town council deem it appropriate to allow to vote in town elections those who are not citizens of the United States if their primary residence is in the town for more than thirty days.

So that's exactly what you're saying. It's not even devil's advocate. That is the explicit rationale. The problem is is that when you start to go in in kind of peel back the veneer, yeah, what their entire process that they have laid out in this. Amendment to their town charter, Jordan.

They aren't even able to do because twenty-five percent of their list. They should a town, no matter how small, should be able to handle a list of ninety eight individuals, and they can't, and they can't, and so extrapolate that to Oakland, San Francisco, across the country. It's a failed policy if this is the mechanism, because you don't have the checks to make sure that the voting that is illegal doesn't happen. We talked to this, this is the best terms that oh, they wanted more people to vote locally, okay, but you had no. Back check.

You have no backstop to prevent these people from voting in elections that are illegal, and so you're going to get them in trouble because they may be voting illegally in elections, or you're going to get yourself in trouble because you've allowed this whole new group of people that you can't actually track to vote in elections that they are not legally allowed to vote in.

So, is it the town officials that are going to be in trouble? Is it the actual voters who are going to be in trouble? Is it both? Is it activists? They have said.

This problem up because they had no backstop in place to say for these people if they show up for other elections, it's going to show up in our system that they're not allowed to vote in these elections, and that's precisely the point.

So, Dan, thank you for calling in. At the top line, best level, it's gross incompetence. Right at the best level. At the worst, something nefarious is happening. That's why we find it, we investigate it, and what are we doing?

We're sending it to the Department of Justice, and let them, the law enforcement, because that's that is who should be handling this. The ACLU, we can talk about it, we can publicize it, but at the end of the day, we also have to ensure our government holds this accountable as well. And that's exactly what we're doing, and that's exactly what you're doing when you support the work of the ACLJ, Jordan. You know, under a minute here, but once again, that's why this is so important. It is so important.

This is with one small city. We can do this all across the country, but we have to have the resources to do it.

So we've got to have resources at the ACLJ. Your donations have got to come in so we can fight. Whether it's the smaller cities, the bigger towns, we've got to be able to take them all. And file the right information to get this information to show just how bad this non-citizen voting is across our country, and if it is in fact doing exactly what we believe it is doing, which is canceling out the votes of those who are citizens of the United States. And again, let's just reiterate that out of these the twenty-five percent, we can only find one that voted Republican; all others voted Democrats.

So it tells you a lot.