If there is a God who is sovereign over all of life, over all of death, and over all pain, and over all disease, and over all illness, And over all sorrow. Then what that means is that it is flat out impossible. that any pain Could ever be without purpose. Suffering has a way of blindsiding us, doesn't it? Trials come in many forms, physical, financial, relational.
But even though our personal trials often differ in their form, they do seem to leave us asking similar questions, don't they? Questions like, why is this happening? Or, where is God in my suffering? I'm Dave Terrio, and I'm glad you're joining us for the Monday edition of Renewing Your Mind. This week we'll be hearing messages from RC Sproll's teaching series, Surprised by Suffering.
In a fallen world, it's absolutely essential that we wrestle with the question of suffering, not just so that we're ready to minister to others in their grief, but so that we're armed with God's truth when trials inevitably intrude into our lives. If you'd like to explore this topic further, you can receive the downloadable version of this series in the Ligonaire app today. Along with the digital study guide, just go to renewingyourmind.org to make a donation. Let's listen to Arcee now as he considers the topic of suffering. Whenever I encounter this question of suffering.
Either as a philosophical question or as a cry of pain from somebody who's in the midst of that suffering when they're asking it, the question that I hear in my profession inevitably is the question, where is God? In all of this. And then the next question is the question that is the one that every theologian dreads to hear. It's this question. Why?
When I'm afflicted, when you're afflicted, when pain intrudes into your life and the threat of death comes, the first thing that we ask is: why? Why me? Why has this happened? How could God allow these things to take place.
Now any time we ask this simple question, why? We're asking a question. about purpose. The why questions are the questions about purpose. The why questions are the questions about meaning.
We're not asking how, we're not asking when, we're not asking what, we're asking why. And I think there's a reason why we asked the question. This one thing to experience pain. But it's another thing. to anticipate that my suffering and my pain is worthless.
If I'm going to have to go through pain, if I'm going to have to go through suffering, I have to know inside of myself that there's some kind of reason for this, that it's not just an exercise in futility. This came home to me. very vividly and very personally just a few weeks ago. My wife, Vesta, and I had returned to Orlando after being on the road and had been speaking at, I don't even remember where we were, but anytime that we're away from home and come back home, it's an experience of great joy. I remember as we drove into our driveway, I said to my wife, I said, We're home.
It's wonderful. We pulled into the driveway, into the garage, and as I shut the engine of the car off and got out of the car, came around behind the car, the door to our kitchen opened, and my daughter framed the doorway. And as soon as she saw us, she burst into tears. And she blurted out these words, Daddy. I just lost my baby.
And she came over to me, and I just held out my arms, and she grabbed me, and I held her. While she sobbed in my shoulder. And it took a few moments for her to get over the Trauma of seeing us on our return, and to explain what had happened here. She had just begun her ninth month of her pregnancy. A pregnancy that had been very difficult, that had been one that involved a long period of morning sickness and some difficulties with hemorrhaging and so on.
But she had just that day. Felt the absence of life. Within her. And she had gone to see her doctor and the doctor had gone and put her through many tests and announced to her soberly and sadly that the baby had died.
Well, of course, that's always a very difficult thing for any expectant mother. To experience, but on top of that, the doctor then explained that the procedure that was necessary for her to follow would be this: that they would bring her into the hospital the next morning. And induce labor. And we talked about it. And she said, Daddy.
They want me to go through labor. But my baby's death. I've often stood in profound admiration at the strength of women to go through the travail of childbirth. And I've often wondered, after they've gone through it once, how they could make the decision to do it again, in many cases, again and again. And as I speak to women about this, I say, how can you stand to go through this?
process that we call euphemistically labor. And they said Of what we know. is waiting at the end of the pane. That is, a woman is willing to endure the pain of childbirth because she looks forward. to the moment that a life will be produced.
And once that life is there and she holds her baby for the first time, then the pain is behind her. And for that moment, at least, she says it's worth it. And I'll do it again. But how do you go into the hospital to go through childbirth and labor knowing that what's at the end of your pain? is death.
And that's what my daughter and I had to talk about. And she looked at me as a theologian and not just as a father, and she wanted to get some heavy answers to her question. And frankly, I didn't have any. And so we went to the hospital. The next day.
Her husband and Her mother and I and She checked in. They induced the labor. We sat there in the delivery room with her, timed the contractions and And she was being heroic, I thought. I was very proud of her. After several hours had passed, she said, Daddy, why don't you go down and uh and get some lunch and come back in a little while because I'm doing fine.
And so I excused myself. I was glad to for the respite. I went downstairs and ordered a brief lunch. It only took fifteen or twenty minutes and hurried back up to the floor to carry on the vigil. And as I approached the swinging doors that went onto the ward, suddenly I was stopped by the sound of a blood-curdling scream.
And it took a couple of moments for it to sink in. But it was my daughter that was screaming like that. I was Terrified to go through those doors and go back in the room. And as I approached the room, this nurse stopped me. She held her hands out and she said, The baby's coming.
And so I scurried back into the outer corridor for a few moments, and then she finally came out and she said, Okay. You can go in now. And so I went in. And I saw something that uh I will never forget, my wife will never forget, my son-in-law will never forget, and I know my daughter. will never forget as long as I live.
My daughter was in the bed, And she was holding to her bosom An eight-month-old little girl. Who had no lice. And I wondered about the medical procedure, the policy. Why in the world would they leave this dead baby in the arms of a mother? Why didn't they just snatch it away and dispose of it however they do?
And as I discussed that with the nurses, they said the mother needs to see. The fruit of her lake So she held the baby for 45 minutes, for an hour. They came in, they took pictures, a lock of hair. gave her a name and did all of these things and My daughter cried and I cried and her husband cried and everybody cried. But as we've spoken of it now in the last several weeks, he said, Daddy.
I had to hold my baby. Because I had to know That my labour was not in vain. That my paying Was not. Invey. Just this Monday.
I received word in my office that the wife of a rather famous sports figure in America. Passed away. Bob Greasy thee. All pro, former quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, His wife Young wife Judy. Died this week.
After battling cancer, for 10 years.
Now, I'm not a close personal friend of the Greasy family, but I was in Miami and I was doing a series of lectures. And after one of these lectures, a woman pressed through the people and came up to me. She said, RC, she said, I'm asking you to do a personal favor for me. And I said, What's that? She said, I have a dear friend.
who's been fighting cancer for ten years. And she's really down right now. And she went on to tell me something of Judy Greasy's story. And she said, Judy's been listening to your tapes and all, and she knows you, not personally, but through these educational materials. And she said, I'm just sure it'll mean a lot to her if you would somehow find a time to go and see her and I said Sure, I'll go.
And I'll be honest with you, I can't remember feeling more inadequate. Then when I got in that car To go and visit a woman. who have been battling. This disease for ten years.
Well, this lady took me up to the house. We rang the doorbell, and Bob answered the door, and he took me into the family room. Judy was sitting back there, In a chair. And I came in and I sat down next to her in the chair, And, dear friends, I had no idea What a signer And she looked at me. And the tears started to just roll down over her cheeks.
And she said, RC. I don't think I can take it. Any more? I don't know what to say. I mean, what do you say?
Do you say?
Well, don't talk like that. Do you say you have to Keep hanging in there, you have to keep this. And I thought, who am I to tell this woman? How much She has that egg.
So I didn't say anything. I just held her hand. And I sat there feeling more and more and more inadequate by the moment as I held her hand for about forty five minutes and just listened. to her talk. And when we were finished.
Had some prayer. And I left. The next day, I got the report that she fell down the stairs and was carried into the hospital, and she never came home from the hospital. It was. Basically.
the end. But this woman came to me the next day and she was all excited and she said Oh, she said, you just can't believe. How wonderful it was last night when you visited Judy Greasy. And I said, I didn't say anything. I said, I was so embarrassed.
I said, I know she was looking to me to give her some words of comfort and of wisdom and to explain the secret counsel of Almighty God, which I'm not equipped to do no matter how much theology I've studied. And I said, I didn't do anything, all I did. We sit there. And hold her hand. For forty-five minutes.
And she said, but that's. All she wanted. And that's all she need. She's heard. All the sermons, and she's heard all the platitudes.
But she just wanted somebody. To show her. That they cared. And she said, whether you like it or not, because you're a minister. You represent the presence of Christ to her.
That's a way hey. Yeah. It's a poor representation. And I thought at that moment that Martin Luther once made. He said it's the duty of every Christian.
To be Christ. to his neighbor. To represent him. To bring His comfort Is peace? his understanding.
And not his judgment. to people. who are in pain. Right. don't very often get the opportunity to listen.
To the televangelist, but I did hear not too long ago, I heard one of these preachers, I couldn't even. remember at the moment who it was, but He was standing up and he made this statement to the people out there in television land. He said, I want you people to understand. that God has nothing whatsoever to do. was suffering.
And that God doesn't have anything to do with death. Death is something that intrudes into The creation of God. And then, of course, this minister went on to say, and to assign all pain and all suffering and all illness and all death to the devil. And as I listened to that. To be honest, Wishy, I wanted to throw something.
through the T V screen. And now I try to understand what would possess a minister, whether he's a television minister or any other kind of minister, to stand up and tell people that God doesn't have anything to do or that God doesn't have anything to do with death. And the only thing I could come up with was that this minister somehow wanted to answer the problems that people have when suffering comes upon them because some people get mad at God. A lot of people get mad at God. They say, hey, you know, this isn't fair.
How can you let this sort of thing happen to me? Again, why? Where is God in all of this? And what the minister on television was trying to do so carefully was to absolve God. From all guilt.
And all responsibility for ever allowing anything unpleasant to befall one of his dear creatures. Just like the philosophers used to say that if God is really loving and if God is really powerful, Then he couldn't possibly allow all of the tragedy and the pain and the suffering and the sorrow that happens in this world to happen. And so the minister on television neatly tied it up in a package for us and said, God simply doesn't have anything to do with it.
Now I'm sure that what he was trying to do Was to make people feel comfortable because they didn't want to have to think about a God who might, in fact, Be involved. Was there pain? But two things jumped into my mind at that point. The first thing, I thought, I wonder if this man has ever read the Old Testament. I wonder if this man's ever read the New Testament.
Because the God of Judaism, the God of Christianity, is a God who majors in suffering. It's not by accident, ladies and gentlemen.
Okay. that in the New Testament, Jesus is identified As a man of sorrows, Who is acquainted with grief? And he is called the fulfillment of the prophet Isaiah's future expectation of one who would be known as the suffering servant. of Israel.
So far from the idea that God doesn't anything to do with death or God doesn't have anything to do with suffering, is that God is the Lord of life, He's the Lord of death. He's the Lord of pain. He's the Lord of suffering. And rather than that being bad news to me, That's good news because the simplest of all theological lessons that we can learn from this. Is that if there is a God who is sovereign over all of life, over all of death, and over all pain, and over all disease, and over all illness?
And over all sorrow. Then what that means is that it is flat out impossible. That any pain. Could ever be? Without purpose.
If God is. then there is no such thing. as meaningless suffering. I don't know what the individual suffering means or why a particular person is called to suffer in a particular way at a particular time. I don't know.
I cannot read the mind of God, the secret counsel of God, but I do know something about the character of God. And I know that he is sovereign. And when pain comes and when disease comes. That sovereignty suddenly becomes more than an abstraction, doesn't it? Because that's where the struggle is.
Can I trust God in this? or not. I was talking with one of the members of the staff here of MD Anderson about problems that people experience when they are afflicted with cancer. And when the Diagnosis is first made. There are all kinds of human emotions that are expressed.
There's anger, there's fear. But one of the stronger emotions is surprise. Because we like to think that these kinds of diseases and this kind of suffering Can never or Will never. Come into our lives. And that surprise becomes all the more accentuated when we hear ministers out there telling us that if you believe in God and you believe in Christ, you never have to worry about pain and suffering.
That's just not true. That does not. Comfort us when we need to be comforted. I have a little grandson that's three years old, and he's, you know, how kids are there. oblivious to all of the sorrow that's in the world.
They're enjoying life. But then all of a sudden they bang their fingers with a hammer, or they fall down and they scrape their knees, and then this little one'll come in and he's crying crocodile tears, and and I'll say, What's the matter, Ryan? he says, I have an ouch. And I say, well Well, what can I do? Or he says, Well, I want an A-band.
Or he says, He wants me to kiss it because if I kiss it, then the ouch will go away and it'll be all over. And that's the way a lot of the pain and sickness and disease in children. Turns out, not for everyone. We can go here to the pediatric ward at M. D.
Anderson and see children whose illnesses cannot be kissed away. But for most people, Our childhood diseases are over. as quickly and as suddenly as they came upon it. And we sort of distance ourselves. from more serious pain.
Remember when I took our daughter in to have her tonsils out, and oh, what a wonderful experience. And you're going to go to see the doctor. And we read all the books and promised her all the toys and presents. She's going to have ice cream. You're going to have all these wonderful things.
And she came in the pediatric ward in Pittsburgh and they gave her the toys to play with, a nice, pleasant roommate, and so on. Both these little girls were playing, getting ready the night before.
Next morning, early in the morning, they took the girls up. Give them their consolectomies and And then we waited in the waiting room, and finally we were called to come in, and I came into that room. And my daughter looked at me I'll never forget how she looked at me like I had given her the worst betrayal that was possible. I mean the last thing in the world she wanted at that moment was ice cream. Her throat hurt so much, she didn't want to have anything in her throat at that point.
And she looked at me like, how could you? Fool me into this. This was her first taste. of real pain. The hard guy.
But as we grow older, Then when we have indigestion, we're not sure it's indigestion. When we have a headache, we're not sure it's a headache.
Now. that life-threatening diseases become Clear and present danger. And for some They hear the announcement that their disease Maybe turbo. And at that moment, the surprise hits. Even though we spent our lives being prepared for this possibility, it is still a surprise.
And theologically, it's the worst surprise because we're still forced back to this question: why? How could God allow this to happen? And that's why I just, for this first segment, I want to leave you with one statement from the New Testament. When S. Peter wrote to his people, In the first epistle of Peter.
In the fourth chapter. He makes this statement, Dear friends. Think it not strange. That you are suffering. A Painful Trial As though some strange thing.
We're happening. See ya. Not interrupted. Think it not strange. That's because by this point in his life, Peter understood.
That God was intimately involved with suffering. And that for a person to be called upon to suffer. is not surprising once we understand Who God is Now in our next segment, what I want to explore with you is this, an idea that maybe you've never thought of, maybe you have. I want to explore the idea that not only is God involved in our suffering and that God may be with us in our suffering, but there may be times when God actually calls us. to sign.
that suffering and at times death can be The vocation. Of a human birth. Our natural reaction to suffering is to think it strange, and yet the Bible tells us the opposite. our suffering is not strange, and it certainly does not catch God off guard. May God help us to see our pain through the lens of God's Word, and to know that our Father will never leave us or forsake us.
As we said in the beginning of today's programme, this is such a vital topic. We need a theology of suffering that can stabilize us when our world seems to be spiralling out of control. You can receive the downloadable version of this series in the Ligonier app today and a digital study guide as well. Just use the link in the show notes or call us at 800-435-4343 to make a donation to Renewing Your Mind. When Christians speak of a calling, we often think of careers or the person God may intend for us to marry.
But can suffering be a calling? Join us tomorrow as we explore that question with RC Scroll here. on Renewing Your Mind.
