The Invisible War

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Now, live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Dillmore.

Well, how fun to have a Halloween fallback. Edition of Kingdoms. It's right. I don't. I don't know why I don't remember Halloween falling on Saturday many times, and I certainly don't remember the double whammy where we got a chance to do Halloween and.

Don't forget to put your calendar. I mean your clocks back for church services tomorrow, and how fun we get to join me on what I think is going to be a really awesome episode. First off, we have Mark Donner with us, and Mark was at Man Camp with me, Nikita Koloff's Man Camp last week, and he is with Yahweh. Do you pronounce it Yira retreats, Mark, or do you say Yahweh Yira retreats? Very curious about that.

Yira. That's right.

So a lot of people say it's Jehovah Jireh, but it's actually Yahweh Yireh, right? That's right.

Um, and so you know, really cool. You you work, um, actually, kind of helping people out that are in a hard way. Yes, sir. Um, we try to lead in a heart healing. Type ministry, which is fascinating to me.

You know, Mark's such a humble guy, such a neat guy. I wish everybody could meet him. It, it man camp. You know, he was the guy that clearly was just, you know, praying for everybody else. I'm trying to.

You know, you you know the guy everybody wants on their team. Believe me, you know, just a just a phenomenal servant of God, I guess. And I love the name of your ministry, because if you get Yahweh, you're a he. He is going to provide, right? Exactly.

And for those who are familiar with Jehovah Jireh, that's the the God who provideth. And so we're going to have a chance to talk with Mark today, but also we have Evan. I'm going to try your last name, Evan. Is it Ketish? It's Evan Quatech.

Quatech. All right. Yes. I tried. I failed.

Evan wrote. All right. He did better than a lot of people. We'll see if how I do the next time I read it.

So he wrote the Invisible War: How Nations Are Broken Without War. And so Evan, how fun to have you with us today, especially this close to the election, and where we have a chance to impact our nation, right? Absolutely, absolutely. It's a pleasure to be here and to be with you and Mark as well. And so I'm very curious, like.

Every book has a story behind it, and I'm I'm guessing you have a background that would lead you to these conclusions. I I do. You know, I was in the Marines from 2000 to 2004. Served in the Iraq theater, so I had sort of a background in military. I'd always been interested in it.

And just in in you know geopolitics, and I'd been watching what's been happening in the world for a long time, listening of course to talk radio and to the news, and doing my own homework on what was you know going on around me. It always been sort of drawn to military strategy and policy, and I could see all the the connection points and the the moves that were on the board. And I could see it from a position that you know it was very clear to me, and I didn't feel like it was clear to a lot of other people. Everybody's asking, why is this happening? Why is it happening?

How do these all fit together? Do they? Are they coincidences? And so you know, I really I sat down and. And the ideas just started pouring out of me like a stream.

It was it was a a very clear line of thought that I had when I put it together, and I just kept coming back to the concept of really just you can't we can't we tend to look for the obvious attacks that are that are happening to us. But this one was quieter. It was it was almost silent, and invisible. You could say. Yeah, yeah, people needed to see it from a different perspective.

Yeah, I love the title "Invisible," especially goes with Halloween. By the way. But that idea of an invisible war, and I love that. I love the way the title works. It says how nations are broken without war.

So obviously there is an invisible war, and of course the Bible speaks of a lot about our battle isn't against flesh and blood, but spiritual forces in high places, which that's sort of an invisible war that goes on as well, right? Absolutely, and so Mark, curiously, same kind of question. Like, there's a background I'm sure behind Yahweh Year retreats. You know how how did that happen?

Well, the Lord first told us to a ministry to give rest retreats to people in the ministry. Really, and Ah yes, we were connected with another organization that did the same thing, and the Lord was all in that. And but then it turned into we were called into a marriage ministry, and early on we realized that most of the problems within marriage was dealt with problems within the heart, and so we realized that we were truly for a heart healing ministry too. Get once you get the heart right, most of the problems tend to go away. Wow, that is an interesting angle.

So, obviously, God was leading you there, and and you couldn't be more right from my perspective. That there's two individuals in the marriage and. There's two hearts, and the two become one flesh. As as a picture of what we become with Christ, right? Exactly.

And when those two hearts go to mesh, so you know clearly, and I know you enough to know that you're you're led by the Lord a lot. How did how did He lead you? Was into that conclude what? Then again, obviously, you don't want to share any names or anything. But was there sort of a story where you went, "aha"?

Oh, yeah. Actually, started with our own personal family and things with our children and going down some some of their own struggles. And then I guess you could say one thing kind of led to another. And then we—it's really As the Bible talks about a renewing of the mind, is what it is. Yeah, the Bible does that.

It does that, and not to mention it, you know, in both cases with both gentlemen, you know, the Second Corinthians, you know, says the God of all comfort comforts us that we might comfort others with the comfort we were comforted with, right? Exactly. You know, and I, I can assure you that I, I've seen that that scripture become truth so many times in my life. You know, it blows me away, especially as a talk show host, and I get a chance to hear people's story. And when you hear their ministry, you know, quite often there's an integral part of their story.

Within their ministry, that God essentially, you know, brought this for them, that they could then, you know, share it with other people, and so you know that's and again when it when it happens within your own your family, it's a lot closer to home. That's for sure. And so you ended up with a, you actually live at this retreat center, right, Mark? Ah, yes, sir. We actually now have.

There are three widows and three single mothers that actually live on the property with us right now, and at any given time, there's probably six to ten at any given point in time. Wow! What an amazing. Opportunity you guys had with, with what he provided, and you know as as the case may be, and so Evan, getting back to the invisible war, well. Again, that music's going to tell us we got to go to a break, and so as we go to a break, yes, we're going to play shenanigans on the other side of this break.

It's going to be fun, especially Halloween editions. You know, it gets a little spooky. It's the case. We're going to be doing that. We've got a whole lot more with Evans' book, The Invisible War.

I'm going to try his name again when we come back. Mark, you're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And today we're so blessed to have Evan. Is it Keach?

Did I do it right? Quiche. Quiche. I knew I'd quiche. I had to make myself known.

Anyway, we have Evan Kite, and he wrote the Invisible War: How Nations Are Broken Without War, which really is kind of an important idea right now before the the election. And we also have Mark Donner with us, with Yahweh Yera Retreats, which again phenomenal. It's in Lincoln, Georgia. You heard, you know, just before the break, how it's got single moms, widows there right now. Very interesting to hear all that, but you know, speaking of invisible, of course, and it is Halloween, so speaking of invisible and Halloween, yeah.

So now it is time to play Shenanigans with a very spooky theme today, as it's like ooh, creepy monster.

So you know, we have a little different music than normal, just to give you that creepy feel.

So let's see how you guys do with this one. I know you may have never played Evan, you've probably never played Shenanigans or Mark, but what you do is you have a chance to see if you can guess this along with my production team. These are Robbie's riddles, and then we'll have a riddle at the end for our listeners.

So here we go. I'm Irish. I have a head, no body, and my glowing smile lights up the night. Who am I? I'm Irish.

It's Halloween, and you know I have no body, and my glowing smile lights up the night. Who am I? Any idea, Mark? Uh, no. It's pretty creepy.

What do you think? He has no head. He has no body. John. Evan.

Oh, it's Jack. Old Lantern. I love you guys. Got some great music. Let's play it again.

Okay, here we go.

Okay.

So what is the problem? With twin witches, ooh, that's creepy. What is the problem with twin witches? Have you got it, Mark? Evan, I don't know this one.

You got me stumped. Ah, this one's tough. You don't know which is which. That's a challenge with twin witches. Ooh, creepy!

Oh, this is my one of my personal favorites. What is dead, cold, hard, and surrounds a cemetery? What is dead, cold, hard, and surrounds a cemetery? Creepy. Ooh.

John, I know we're just breaking you in, but you know you got to try something here. Dead, cold, and surrounds the cemetery. Yeah, it's a fence. It's a fence. Yeah, it is.

It might be a fence of. Yeah, it is. And do you know why there are fences around cemeteries? Why? Ooh, creepy.

Zombies in? Yeah, people are dying to get in there. And one more before we get to the, you know, actual riddle for our listeners. Why can't a man living in California be buried in Canada? Ooh, creepy.

Why? Why can't a man living in California be buried in Canada? It has nothing to do with the ferry. Oh, I'm expecting Nick to get this one. You've been with me many years.

This is one of your last shows. To chances to. I know. You got. Always get me out.

All right, I'm gonna have to jump in here and tell you. You can't bury the living. The man's living in California. Oh, I hope you had fun with that. Not as much fun as you're going to actually have if you want to call in and win today.

We have quite the riddle for you.

So a little unusual.

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The one who makes it. Believe me, it's ooh creepy. The one who makes it has no need for it. The one who buys it won't use it, and the one who uses it won't care. I assure you.

The one who makes it. Has no need for it. Whoever buys it won't use it, and whoever uses it won't care. What is that? Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four.

You can call in and win today. Eight six six three four truth. And if they can do that, John, tell them what they'll win. If you know the answer to Robbie's riddle, give us a call for a chance to win a prize out of the Kingdom Pursuit Vault. The number is eight six six three four seven eight eight four eight six six three four T R U T H.

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All you have to do is call us at eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four, and you could win anything out of the Kingdom Pursuit Prize Vault, especially. Our ever-popular Kingdom Pursuits back scratcher—it has the gospel beads on it, so you can scratch somebody's back at the same time, share the gospel with them. Mark. All you all you have to do is call us at eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four eight six six three four. Truth and apparently we already have a caller, and so guys, you know we got to play the creepy music when they begin to answer this.

By the way, because I love that music so much, so we'll get back to that in a second. And this caller, who apparently knows who makes it, who has no need for it, the one who buys it won't use it, and the one who uses it. Won't care. It's creepy. I'm telling you.

So, getting back to Evan, your book, "The Invisible War." So, dig in a little bit for us. What, what was? Wow, we got two listeners. What were, what was it that kind of started the process for you? What was it that you were seeing, Evan?

Yeah.

So. No, that's all. You know, I think just I've been seeing a lot of the world events that were happening. Just a lot of what seemed to be random chaos, but that just you know worked with each other, and I just kept coming back to this idea. From from from Mark 325, the house is divided against itself.

The house will not be able to stand. And I just kept thinking, as I'm seeing all of the social media and the issues around that, especially with disinformation and misinformation, and all of the strife around COVID and how people were discussing that in various ways, and and maybe not wanting to discuss that in various ways. I just kept thinking. This feels Coordinated, it feels you know, put together. Really, I think you know most wars are most wars are obvious.

This one isn't. Like I said, I took Mark three twenty five, and I, I looked at other sort of, you know, ideas of that. And War Sunzu, for example, said the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting, and the idea that nations can be weakened from the inside. Through lost trust, division, and a fractured sense of what is actually true, without a shot being fired, and so you know it's not a conspiracy conspiracy theory. It's just sort of how systems break down, and that creates issues within you know various nations, and it's happened.

Many times over the years. Wow, you look at different civilizations. I can hardly wait to dig into that. That's going to be great. I'm, I'm really looking forward to that.

We're going to get back to that in a second, Evan. But right now we got all these. Riddlers, and so we got Lola. It looks like in Juanita, and so both you guys stay on with me because I don't. I want to talk to both of you, even if the other one guesses what it is you had, because I always love to talk to people.

And by the way, everyone wins on Kingdom Pursuits. We have never had anybody not guess the right answer. Amongst our listeners now, the the the production staff, not so much. But anyway, Lola, you are on Kingdom Pursuits. Good morning.

I am Lola Ann. Lola Ann.

So, who makes it?

Okay, so the one who makes it has no need for it. Ooh, we need creepy music. Ooh. The one who makes it has no need for it. Whoever buys it won't use it, and whoever uses it, they won't care.

Lola, what am I? Pardon me. A casket. A casket. You're exactly right.

It's creepy, and a casket. The one. You know, the one thing I did think about this, Lola. Lola Ann.

Uh huh. Is it if you were making your own casket? Actually, it doesn't work because I would have a need for it. I would be the one buying it, and I do care. But other than that, the casket works perfect.

Just saying, and I love your answer. I think it's amazing, and you are definitely a winner. I'm going to put you on hold, and I'm going to go to Juanita here, where they're going to get with you to get your information so they can get you your prizes.

So we got Juanita Miller is in Charlotte. Juanita, welcome to King of Pursuits. How are you? I'm doing wonderful. Hope you are.

I am. I am. I have noticed over the years that a lot of times listeners have much better answers than me, and so I would love to know what you were thinking. It was definitely the casket. No, yeah.

And I'll and I'll and I'll tell you why. Oh. Because I'm a funeral director, so that was so obvious for me. You made my day, Winifred. You're the last person to let somebody down, right?

Yes. Oh Anita, that is so awesome!

Well, we got to go to a break. I'm going to put you on hold too. They're going to get you your information, and we're going to. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom.

And today we are so blessed to have with us Mark Donner with Yahweh Yura Retreats and Evan Quaich. Did I get it right that time, Evan? You, you got it. You got it. The invisible war.

How nations are broken without war. Which I'm really excited to get more into that. But we got to go back to Mark. Um, and so now you've got single moms. You had said, "Well, on the property, and you know what a what a wonderful opportunity." Because you had talked about how you're helping people get their heart back, right?

Yes, sir. Yeah, we actually have a little farm out here, and the different animals that we have, we—it's funny how God uses animals to heal us and help us to see things in the right perspective, I guess you could say. But yeah, He uses the animals to do a lot of the healing with them, as well as you know some different classes and things like that. Yeah, because that's. That's just a lot of pressure, and so, like you said, you you've got kids on the farm as well.

Yes, sir. Yep. And then we're actually in the process of trying to get schooling for the children out here started. And right now, the children that live on the property are doing homeschooling, but we're in the process of trying to get. An actual school program set up for them to go through, as well as there's a few kids that don't live on the property that come out as well.

And so I would imagine you—you said you have some widows there too, right? Ah, yes, sir. There's three widows that's here. And so I bet the widows love the children, don't they? They do.

They're the the grandmother figure for the for the children that's here, and they they enjoy that. You know, isn't it cool how God builds communities like that? It is. Yep. That those widows, you know, clearly have suffered a horrible loss, but here's an opportunity, you know, that God provided for them to, you know, come into that, and and how neat that God.

Is provided, you know, like that whole idea of Yairah. In in that respect, you know, that's absolutely beautiful, Mark, and I and I so admire how you let God use you. It's uncomfortable sometimes, and other times it's amazing to just watch and see what He does when you don't expect it. I got to say, having been around you for. A while, you know.

There's something about, I guess, you know, what you'd call sages or older saints that have been through some stuff. To just watch them. Keep their joy and their demeanor, and through some real shenanigans and through a lot of difficulties.

So, Mark, we really appreciate what you're doing and getting back to Evan. We'll get back to Mark shortly, but Evan, so you had said, you know, this is fascinating to me that you were watching how the social media was coming out on COVID, et cetera, and you saw a pattern to it.

So, am I guessing that you're saying that? And I guess I never considered it that whoever it is is coming up with some of these attacks on our country, they are actually coordinating a social media program to aid that culture attack. Yeah, Robbie.

So I I come from 25 years in the tech industry as well in various different roles, but but a lot of it in product management.

So I understand what the tech companies are doing, and I don't. I don't ascribe all of this to the tech companies themselves. I think they have a lot of profit motives and some other things that are helping to drive them to do things. But there are certainly foreign actors that are involved in this, and you can you can pretty much point to any country on on earth, including our own, and we have sort of the same thing going there. Will be various, you know.

Social media bot pages, which are basically just set up to amplify certain voices over others, there are actually there's a network of of various social media you know bots that are designed to just create division and and cynicism and fear and distrust amongst institutions. And so that's you know one of the themes of the book is you know discernment without fear or cynicism.

So weighing what you're reading and hearing, doing your homework, asking who's telling the story, and what they are trying to get you to feel. And this is not just social media. This is also the the the you know legacy media, your news, Fox, CNN. Everybody's got these slightly different angles that they're coming at it from, and everybody, you know, seems to have an opinion that sort of counteracts somebody else.

So so be suspicious. Yeah.

Wait. The reason I isn't wisdom. Yeah.

Well, I love what you're saying. I really do because I do a um. Podcast slash radio show, whatever you want to call it, it's called Robbie and the Rabbi, and I interview an Orthodox rabbi every week in Jerusalem. He's an amazing man, and if there was ever a man that was against anything that had to do with division, it was him. I mean, he's always, you know, trying to.

I mean, he he he he teaches. Beautifully, you know, deep, deep Hebrew ideas, but in a way that we can connect them to Christianity, or we can connect them with anything, in other words, and stuff like that. And so, his teaching is absolutely fabulous, and you you would probably love it too, Mark. As as clearly, he knows how to say Yahweh Yira in a way. He speaks very fluent, and just one of the most learned.

Rabbis I have ever talked to in my life, just fantastic opportunity. I have to talk with him every week, but often the comments like, you just have to go what, like, you know, because you know, talk about divisive. Like how in the world, based on what we said, which had nothing to do in any way, shape, or form with any political statements about Israel, the United States, or anything else, but just the fact that it's that he is Jewish, and we speak to things of that nature, like oh my gosh, and I just and I when you said that, it made me. I said oh okay, that's discernment, right, Mark? Like that that isn't even coming from a human.

That is somebody that is simply. Trying to divide and conquer. Uh huh. Yep. That's that's amazing.

And so, like for anybody, when they make a when they make a post or something, if they see something hateful come across, it could easily be coming from what you're talking about. Absolutely, absolutely. Just fall back to Matthew ten sixteen. Be wiser serpents and innocent as doves. Right, we take a a view of everything that is skeptical.

We take a view of everything that isn't building us up, and we're just we we want to see it for what it is, and verify the truth of it before we react to it. Right, we want to be slow to that.

So, yeah, I I I couldn't agree with you more, as I. Been to Israel a couple times in the last couple years, and I've seen some things that could so easily become gigantically divisive when people spin it a certain way. But that isn't what God is intended. Probably a lot of this. Robbie, a lot of this is is is because we are being encouraged to not speak, and that's where I was going with the COVID components as well.

There was a lot of "Don't talk about this, don't talk about that, don't have these conversations, don't ask questions," and division really wins when we stop talking to each other. One of the things that I'm learning about Mark's ministry today, which is amazing, is how he's bringing people together from all you know various backgrounds. Backgrounds and and situations and that is very that's super important for us going forward. How we get out of this whole cycle? Because otherwise, we're just going to keep building those divisions.

We're still going to you know we're just going to keep breaking apart institutions. Everybody's going to lose trust in various parts of the government and and local and national and you know all the different things. And I think we just would do well just to go go back to James one nineteen. Let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger. I can't even tell you the how thrilled I am to have you on, Evan.

Because there's such wisdom in that. Because again, being a talk show host, let me just tell you. And I'm sure that this is a I'm sure that this is a a temptation for all talk show hosts. That if you want to get on the radio and have a lot of people call your show, speak divisively, like in any way, shape, or form, you know you can fire people up so quick and so easy. But it's not redemptive, right?

It doesn't really help. The matter and and what you're talking about, what Mark's talking about, is how can you know how can we, you know, see where God is in this, and how can we find His love is is that's powerful stuff, man. I'm so glad I had you back on, have you both on, and so we'll be back in a moment with a whole lot more Kingdom Pursuit. Stay tuned. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com.

Welcome back to Keep the Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your. Passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And during the break, we got a very special call from my boss, to Upson, the author of "Thanks Living" and founder of the Truth Network.

So, welcome to Kingdom Pursuits, too. Happy birthday to you! From your biggest fan, name Stu. It's on the thirty-first, so we have to say boo. That's awesome, man!

We love you, man. We're grateful for you. Thank, we're thankful, thankful, thankful for the Kingdom man, the Christian car guy, Robbie Dillmore. Thank you, the legend. I appreciate it, my friend.

Yeah, and your book again. Thanks, Living. Don't forget that one.

Now on Amazon, right? Yes, sir. It's on. It's on Amazon, and hopefully, someone that's riding down the river in a boat on the Amazon will be reading it too, and be reminded to be grateful in all things, not just the month of November, but all year round. Because gratitude is an attitude, and gratitude comes from grace, and He pours His grace in us in an amazing.

In Jesus Christ, and gratitude will will flow out.

So, and you're you're a you're a grateful man, and I'm grateful for you, brother, and all your wonderful guests today. You guys are doing a great job today. What a show! Thank you too. God bless.

I appreciate it, my friend. Bye bye. All right. Well, getting back to Mark for a minute.

So, Mark, you know, as he was talking about it, I I I I. As Evan was talking about it, that you really are bringing these different people together. I guess God's bringing them together, and so I have to think you've got an amazing wife as well, honey. What we're going to do today?

So I'm very curious about that situation because you start out with marriages, right? Yes, sir. Yes, and and she is absolutely amazing. But yeah, yes, that's that's where we started was with marriages, and like I was saying earlier, that we realized that the problems in marriages all stem from your heart, and once you get your heart right, you get your marriage right. Right, and the biggest part of that is clearly in in growing in your relationship with God, right?

Exactly. It's well, as we said, the renewing of the mind, and so. You know, just to pitch again for man camp where I met Mark, is there is a week. In other words, there's a lot of camps I do masculine journey boot camps every year. You know, we got one coming up here in a few weeks.

But there are three or four days. There are four days. Nikita's is a week to chase after the heart of God, right? A week to grow in your heart, right? Because as as you did that for that week.

Did you get a chance to see some love? We did not see love all the way from man all the way to God. It's it it that is an amazing week. Have you ever? I you know again I've I've had a chance to experience that, but to see that many men come together in unity like they did.

From that place of love, it's it's spectacular, and it comes from they all had a week chasing after the heart of God. It is, yep, and it's amazing of what He has put together to to reach the men that the way He does. Exactly, exactly.

So, Evan, I'm more intrigued than ever to read your book, "The Invisible War: How Nations Are Broken Without War." And what are some of the other solutions that you might outline in your book, or some things you might want to share with our listeners, as far as that discernment besides getting the book and getting the real answers? Yeah, absolutely that. But no, you know, it's a lot of it is just doing doing your due diligence, your your own homework, your You know your own looking into what you're hearing, seeing, reading, and being told, and and that's a big part of it. Another one is just again approaching. Your neighbors, your your the people around you, the people you come into contact with, with the the spirit that comes from God, and you know, looking at everyone with the best of intentions, obviously not wanting to do harm to them, but you know, understanding they're not all trying to do harm to you.

Certainly, there are some folks who are. Are bad and not so great, but I think most people are just trying to do the right thing in the best way they know possible. And so, you know, sharing the truth with them, you know, being around people who who are open and able to share the truth with and receive the truth from. It's very very helpful in building a spirit of of understanding what's going on around you and like what Mark is doing, build a community, build a community of people around you where you have support networks and people that you can trust, and those things are going to help us. You know if we're Good, strong, as a community, will will those communities will come together and will be good and stronger and and and wiser as we expand out.

And so I say, always fall back to God, always fall back to His truth, and then use that truth to discern the truth. Yeah, God love that, and I I love your your quote of be slow to anger, quick to listen. I always heard it. You got two ears and one mouth, right? And you know, you just listen for people's hearts.

Like where you know, maybe they're coming from a different place than what they're saying.

So, golly, I hate we're out of time, guys. I really, really love doing this show with you. Again, Evan's book, *The Invisible War*, you can find it at KingdomPursuits dot com as well as Amazon, any place. How nations are broken without war, you can again find that at Kingdom Pursuits as well as Yahweh Retreat. Maybe you want to donate to them or whatever.

Get up with Mark; you can find his information also at Kingdom Pursuits under Yahweh Yira. Again, thank you, Mark and Evan. What a joy it's had to have you guys on today, and don't forget to set your clocks back.