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Well, last show we answered the question from the parable on on debt again. Why is sin described as a debt? And if you remember, it all connected to the land. God had repeatedly told them that the land belonged to Him, Leviticus twenty five twenty three, the land shall not be sold permanently for the land is mine. Everything was connected to the land, and in the end of times, it's going to come back to the land.
That's why the land is significant. Israel as a land matters, and I think many Christians forget that, and and they especially nowadays.
So the promised land was a gift from God, and if they obeyed His commandments, they could live and flourish in the land. If they disobeyed, then He would kick them out, which at times He did, and that happened with the Babylonian exile, of course, Assyrian exile, but Babylonian exile. But God, in His grace and His compassion, allowed them to come back after fifty years. Remember this—the whole story of how King Cyrus took over Medo-Persia, took over Babylon as as the Medo-Persian Empire, and in one night, everything changed. And he passed a decree to all peoples who were in Babylon taken by Nebuchadnezzar.
He told them all, "Go home." Build your temples, build your lives, go back doing what you always did and love doing. Just make sure you send in those tributes. All you got to do, all you got to do is send the money in. Yes, all y'all got to do is send the money in. Y'all can be whoever y'all want to be.
No problem.
So now the people of Israel or the Jewish people, more specifically, now since the the Other ten tribes are gone. It's only Judah and the small tribe of Benjamin left. They were back in the land, but they were in a sin debt to God. But God, the gracious landlord, already knew that they could never pay that debt. And so, from eternity past, he had created a plan under which his own son Jesus would come to pay their sin debt with his own blood, and not just theirs, because they are simply a representative of all of us.
So he was going to come and pay our sin debt, and all they would have to do was to look to him and live, look to him and live. Yeah, and that's exactly what Jesus did. By the way, this offer was not just for the Jewish people, but for all people, because all of us are under a sin debt to God.
Now, it may not be connected to the land like it was for the Jewish people or the people of of Israel, but the debt is just as real. For those people, it's very land connected, and it will be again. But for us, it's not land, but the principles still apply, right? You know, we talked a little bit yesterday on the show about you know. I think you brought it up in Matthew, the Lord's Prayer, where Jesus talks about forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
But really, the word is debt. That's right. And like growing up, I never heard that. I always thought it was it was trespass, which means my sin. As somebody does something wrong to me, I've I should you know I should forgive them because I did stuff wrong.
God forgave me, but it's such a It's not an incorrect, but it's such an incomplete view of what Jesus. Yeah, the real meaning is much deeper. Yeah, absolutely. And so, as Paul tells us in Colossians two fourteen, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us, and he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross, handwriting of requirement. That's dead debt collection.
So, with that in mind, let's reread the same parable that we looked at in yesterday's show, and it's coming right from Matthew eighteen in verse twenty-three. We read this last time, but let's read it again, all the way to verse thirty-five. Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made.
The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, "Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all." Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants Servants who owed him a hundred denarii, he laid his hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, "Pay me what you owe." So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, "Have patience with me, and I will pay you all." And he would not, but he went and threw him in prison till he should pay the debt. When his fellow servants saw what he had done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. Then his master, after had caught Then sorry. Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, "You wicked servant!
I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?" And his master was angry and delivered him to the tortures until he should pay all that was due to him.
So my heavenly Father also will do to each of you, if you from his heart does not forgive his brother his trespasses.
So yesterday when we were talking about this, we talked about you know what is debt. We sort of described sin as this. Debt, but now we're coming to this place where it's like, all right, we understand our place before God and the debt that we owe. But what do we do about it now that Jesus has come? Right, because Jesus has wiped it all out.
But there's still more to understand. That's right. It's the connection of our sin debt to God, but also the connection of others' sin debt to us. Right. Again, keep in mind the land.
All of the Jewish people, rich, poor, the creditor, the debtor, were on God's land. I mean that that's very important to understand. That's why when people do away with this whole land thing and the prophecies regarding the land and land doesn't matter anymore, I'm like, oh, you're missing the very bedrock on which our faith is built. You take away that aspect. This this idea that was played out by Israel and will be played out in the end of time, you're you're losing something very significant in our Christian life, in what God is doing in us.
So, for one of them to take the other by the throat, going back to the land, the physical land. And let's say these two individual, part of the family of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, people of Israel, Jewish people, if one of them were to take the other by the throat over land, that was ridiculous. What are you doing? And that's what some of them were doing. When Jesus gave that parable, he had much more than their land debt in mind.
He was referring to unforgiveness among them. Yeah, he was saying that if God has forgiven you, what right do you have to hold a grudge? Against your brothers and sisters, right? Because I mean, you what you are just as much a sinner as that person. Absolutely.
Well, even the very ground that you are standing on doesn't belong to you. Yeah, God. Yeah.
So if you've been given all this, what right do you have to hold something against your brother or sister that you don't even own in the first place? That's right. And that's when Jesus said in Matthew eighteen thirty five, "So my heavenly Father will also do to you, to each of you." If each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses, in other words, if he refuses to forgive others of the wrong they've done to you, God the Father will also refuse to forgive you for the wrong you've done to Him.
Now, for all the people out there who have red alarms going off right now, sirens just go.
Well, hold hold hold! Wait wait wait wait! But I'm saved though. I'm saved. Jesus is already forgive.
I'm already forgiven. You're saying that if I don't refuse somebody else, or if I refuse somebody else to forgive them, God's going to take it back. I can lose my salvation. Yeah.
If you go down that road, then you need to first understand how God forgives us our debt.
So let's look at some of those very, very key points. Number one, forgiveness is not a joint agreement. It is a solo decision. Let's take a quick break. Hey guys, John here with the Clearview Today show, and I want to just take a second and talk to you about today's sponsor, WatchSafe.
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Now let's get into the show. Who did God consult regarding the plan of salvation? None of us. I can tell you that.
Now, here's what I'm thinking as far as saving all of you. Give me your thoughts on this. Yeah.
What do you think? Should we workshop this? You you think it's a good thing? What do you see any flaws? Tell me now.
No, he's just like this is what I'm going to do. It was decided. It was it was worked out in the sacred and secret council of the Trinity. It was settled. The second person of the Godhead became the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, as Revelation thirteen eight says.
Also, First Peter chapter one verse eighteen, knowing that that you were not redeemed, again the debt analogy coming in. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things like silver or gold from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, he indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. That's First Peter chapter one. Ephesians chapter one verse four. Just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
The point is that just like God did not need our cooperation to initiate the plan of redemption. You don't need your offender's cooperation to cancel their debt against you. That's right. You don't have to wait for them to apologize. You don't have to wait for them to come against you.
And a lot of times, I think that's what us, we as Christians, do. You know, so well, I'll forgive them, but they got to make these steps first. Yeah, I'll forgive them once they ask for it. Yeah, yeah, once they come to me, once I see some effort on their part. But God didn't wait for effort on our part.
No, well, forgiveness is a lot for you. It's not so much for the other person. Yes, it's it's good to ask for forgiveness and to receive that. Forgiveness, but you need to grant that forgiveness. That's right.
It's a unilateral decision. God made it towards us. It's done. It's not a two-way street. But also, forgiveness is not forgetting.
What do we do with the whole sea of forgetfulness? You know, you heard that. You know, God has planted our sin and and dumped them in the sea of forgetfulness. The phrase is not in the Bible, but it is based on certain passages in the Bible. For example, Micah seven nineteen.
He will again have compassion on us and will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea. Nothing about the sea of forgetfulness. Yeah, it doesn't say anything about him forgetting them. No, no.
Psalm one hundred three, verse twelve. It says, "As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us." Again, nothing about forgetting. No. Jeremiah thirty one thirty four. For I will forgive their iniquity and their sin.
I will remember no more. You see, these verses do not mean that God has amnesia. They simply mean that God no longer holds our sins against us because Jesus has paid it in full. Yeah, I feel like that's maybe that's what Bible one oh one. Like like just knowing that these words don't mean like I will remember them no more doesn't mean that God actually forgets.
God. Can't forget things, right? You know, God is—he has all knowledge. Yeah, this is this is more an active remembering than a passive remembering. Remembering is not just something that happens to us.
Remember, like I remember something, is I hold it. I hold it on you. I hold it against you. But if I don't remember it, it's not that I've forgotten it. I'm just not going to hold it against you.
Right? That's right. You can forget and forgive, but still not forget, and that's okay. In fact, the scars that we have. You know, somebody offended you when you were real young.
Maybe it's a family member. Maybe it's a friend. Maybe it's a teacher. Maybe it's a somebody random.
Somebody who just didn't like you and they offended you or did something to hurt you. The scars are there to warn you of future dangers.
So God is not saying, you know, remove the scars. No, they're there to remind us of what happened.
Furthermore, God's forgiveness does not mean condoning, dismissing, or legally pardoning. Yeah, means that you don't have to think that what someone did to you was okay. Yeah, you don't have to sign off on it. You don't have to say, "Okay, well, I guess I understand their reasoning now." No, your forgiveness is you moving on, you taking that decision not to let it weigh you down anymore. Yeah, I mean that's the healthiest option most of the time is that we could just move forward.
Yeah, murderer can can be saved today, but still. Be on death row because that's what you have to pay for your sins. But you know you don't have to forget.
So also, when you forgive, that does not mean that all consequences are gone.
Now, instead of hating the person, you hate the sin. You let them off the way God has let you off, but there may still be earthly consequences. That's right. I mean, you're definitely going to have those. Those situations in your life, and I think a lot of people forget that they think that you know because I forgive someone, that means I'm not going to pursue this anymore, or nobody else has to pursue it.
You're going to get off of this scot free, and that's just not the case, and that's never in the Bible. No, I mean consequences exist for your actions. We don't live in a vacuum, so you have to bear the consequences of your actions. Although the eternal iniquity of your sin can be forgiven by by the cross. But Doctor Shaw, this person, you just oh my goodness, you just don't understand.
I can't return back to normal. With this person, I can't go back to the way that things were. But I feel guilty for that.
Well, you know, when people say that to you, what do you tell them?
Well, forgiveness does not mean reconciliation. All is great to be reconciled. But from God's perspective, ransom has been paid and forgiveness has been offered. He is not sitting up there holding a grudge against you. He wants to reconcile the whole world to Himself, as Second Corinthians five nineteen says.
God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, reconciling, bringing us close to Him. But the sinner has to take His offer of reconciliation for the transaction to be complete.
So this only happens when we get saved and receive His forgiveness and submit ourselves to His authority in our lives. Yeah.
So also reconciliation can happen only if the offender is willing to go through the appropriate process with the offended. Yeah.
So there might be forgiveness, but there doesn't necessarily have to be reconciliation. Not necessarily. And sometimes do you do you advise people who have been offended, like, hey? I don't even think reconciliation for you in this case would be good for you. Yeah, I mean, if it's an abuse situation, physical abuse, sexual abuse, I in fact I wouldn't recommend that because you may go back innocently and and eagerly to, you know, be the bigger person or show grace or not retaliate, and you may have the same abuse happen, maybe even worse.
Yeah.
It may be death this time. It may be rape this time. I mean, so bad things can happen. Oh yeah.
So you have to be careful how we do that.
So the question is: there are times people have sent me a note saying, "Please forgive me," but the way they were saying that was not right. What they were saying is, "You hurt me," or "I'm angry at you," or "I'm justified for my actions." What do you do in those situations?
Well, I just leave them alone. Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it. I can tell that they want just that pound of flesh, you know. I want to, I want to hurt you because I feel hurt, or I feel angry, or I feel sort of gipped here.
So I'm gonna do something to take that pound of flesh. I think, especially in a church, that could be very common, where someone's angry at you, but they're like, you know what, I, I, if I come to you and tell you I'm angry at you, I'm gonna look really petty.
So I have to say, hey, you know what? This whole thing, can you forgive me? I'll be the I'll be the bigger person. Yeah, I'll take the high road. I'll take the high.
Yeah, and I can definitely see that happening in a church context, and maybe in other other contexts as well. Yeah, people like to to play that. I want to be the victim card. Yeah, and First John four twenty is often invoked, but for the wrong reasons. Is it says if someone says I love God and hates his brother, he's a liar.
For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, how can he love God, whom he has not seen? But the point is, hate is not the same as reconciliation. I think that's a good point, and that's helpful for people to hear because just because we're not able to repair the relationship doesn't mean I hate you. It doesn't mean I wish ill on you. It doesn't mean that I want bad things for you.
It just means like, hey, there's been a breach of trust, and I'm going to forgive you, and I'm going to move forward. But we can't restore things to the way that they were. There are plenty of people in the world, billions that I've never even met. I have nothing. Thing at all to do with them.
I don't hate those people.
So also with us. Just because you and I have reached the end of our relationship and there's a parting of the ways now, does not mean that I hate you. And I want to continue into what this journey of forgiveness looks like. I want to take a quick break. Let's take a word from our sponsors, and then we'll be right back.
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Now let's get back to the show, Doctor Shah. We're talking about forgiveness in light of what God has forgiven us, and this whole thing is—it's not often. Oh, okay.
Well, now that you said that, now I forgive you. You apologize. You ask for forgiveness.
So now I forgive you. Or I know that I need to forgive this person, so I'm going to will it, and then I'm just going to make it happen. Yeah, like somebody comes to you and is like, "Hey, I'm sorry. Will you forgive me?" And it's like, "Well, I'm not really ready yet, but I can't say that, so I guess I just got to." Yes, I will. How do you forgive someone when you're not ready?
Just like that. It's a journey. For God, it is not a journey. Of course, He forgives us instantly. He forgives us completely.
He forgives us graciously. But for us, it's a journey, and you don't have to fake it. You don't have to pretend that. Oh, you know what? I don't hold anything against you.
Maybe you can say that, but that the truth comes out. Yeah, yeah.
So, what is required of us? Number one, a change in perspective. Second Corinthians four eighteen. While we do not look at the things which are seen, but the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
So you have to take the time to look at things in a different way. It's kind of hard too, because there's so many times where it's like this is the only life that I know. Yeah, and if I could see through the eyes of God, if I could see through the eternal, trust me, I would. But this is the only thing that I know, and I think that's where a lot of times we. Lose our trust because God says no.
Do it this way. You you feel free to take this journey. It's like no, I can't do it, and we get stuck. We've talked on the show before about being able to see God and see how He's working and having eyes of faith to see. And and one of the things, Doctor Shaw, that you've reminded us of, and that has been so helpful for me, is that it it it correlates to how close you are to God and your knowledge of God and your relationship with God.
If you are far away from God, if you are struggling your relationship with God, then your spiritual vision is going to be hindered. It's going to be blurred. It's going to be it's going to be impacted. But the closer you get to God, the more you focus on that. The more you obey Him and work on your relationship with God, it's like correcting your prescription.
You can suddenly see again. You can start to see with clarity the things that God is doing and how to move forward in forgiveness with this person. Hundred percent. I mean, the more you spend time in God's Word, the more you spend time in prayer, the more you spend time with God's people, the more you spend time obeying God, the better you will see what God is doing. The better you will be able to allow him to work in your life, and then through you to work in the lives of others.
The less you have that, the harder it will be. But also keep in mind, you need to rely on the power of the Holy Spirit. In Romans five three. And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance, and perseverance, character, and character hope.
Now, hope does not disappoint because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit, who was given to us.
So, the Holy Spirit was given to us. We don't think a lot of times about the Holy Spirit being the one that forgives, or or that helps us to forgive, because it's such a it's such an emotional burden on me. It feels like this is the sacrifice that I have to make in my own power, because I know that's what God wants me to do. And I think there's a ton of people who are really relieved that you just read that from Romans, because we remember that it's the Holy Spirit that helps us. Of course, it's hard to forgive when someone has wronged you, but the Holy Spirit is there to help you.
That's why He's there. That's right. Yeah, it's not something we do in our own power and our own strength, because if that's the case, nobody would forgive anybody. Yeah, that's right. But it's the it's the Spirit of God living in us and making the life of Christ real.
Us so that we can then extend forgiveness to others, just as we ourselves have been forgiven. You know, if there's someone out there right now saying, "Dr. Shaw, I don't," I mean, listen, I hear everything you're saying. I know this is what Christians are supposed to do, but I don't even know if I am a Christian. But I want to forgive because something has happened to me, and it is really painful.
And it's it's really affected me, but I just can't move on. Even if it's been years ago, how do they start this process?
Well, if they do not know Christ, you need God's forgiveness in your life, and it's very simple. You have to pray and say, "Jesus, I believe that you are God's Son. You came down, died on the cross to pay my sin debt, and I." Want to take you as my savior? I want to invite you into my life. I want you to come into my life.
Forgive me of my sins, pay that debt which you already have, apply that to my account, and put your righteousness in me.
Now, you don't have to do all that, but that's what's happening. Yeah.
And then, the Holy Spirit of God comes inside of you, and He begins to change you from the inside out. Tell Him you are grateful for that work of the Holy Spirit in your life.
Now, look around to see. If there are people who have offended you, who have hurt you, who have mistreated you, who have taken advantage of you, have you truly forgiven them? Years ago, I had to come to grips with that. Had I truly forgiven them? Because I was hurt, and I wasn't.
I hadn't truly forgiven them. And so, a gentleman came into my life who helped me understand that. And that daily, he told me to pray for that person. And how do you pray for that person? Pray that God will bless that person.
Oh, not like God! Can you show this person what's up? Can you smash the teeth? Yeah, smash the teeth in the mouths of my enemies, Lord. Yeah, can you keep them sick?
At night until they forgive, no, let both sides of their pillow be warm. Oh, gross! Let their let their socks always be a little bit wet. That's a fate worse than death. No, no, no!
You need to pray God's blessing upon them, and not just blessing like spiritual blessings and the riches in Christ, but pray for financial blessings for them. Pray that God will put money in the bank account, help them to grow and flourish. We said, well, that's that's not fun because I want them to suffer for what they've done. Yeah, I want all the money and the blessing. That's right.
Where is the God of justice? But here is what's going to happen as you pray for that person for to be financially blessed. Not only will you. Be set free from that hate, from that anger, from that anger. But also, God will show you His special grace because you are being like Him.
Absolutely.
So, as we're closing the episode, Doctor Shah, people are thinking about people in their life they need to forgive. I need to forgive that person. I'm holding a grudge against this person. And yes, you need that to maybe repair a relationship. We talked about reconciliation.
But what does forgiveness do for that person internally? What does that do for their relationship with God? What does that do for their trajectory? Life.
Well, I mean, it's going to set you free. It's going to pour God's grace upon you, and you you will find yourself ready to serve God and and live the life God has created for you instead of being chained and being in bondage to.
Someone's bad decision. Yeah, so forgiveness will actually set you free. Great point. That person may or may not, you know, by our standards, deserve your forgiveness, but you need to forgive them so that you can move forward, so that you can have peace, so you can be the man or woman that God has called you to be. That's right.
I think it was a wise philosopher named May Parker who said, "Revenge, hate, is a poison." Right? Spider Man Three. Won that mat, May. I'll trust your judgment on that. I'll defer to you on that one.
No, but seriously, it is. I think both of these two men are right. It's going to help you more than you know. And just like Doctor Shaw said, you pray for that person, you do it the next day, and the next day, and next day. One day, you're going to wake up and you'll be free.
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